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    Krause sidewinder chain
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    I bought the 16000 tensile strength chain, and broke it after about 15 minutes of use, Both pins were bent over were it broke, I thought it likely stretched, But after carefull evaluation, It very well may have been misaligned....This all with a gsxr600 powered car with a jackshaft setup....I called them on the telephone, and had a replacement in 4 days....Went i first purchased the chain, It had a lifetime warranty, Since then they now have changed there policy to one year...

    Would i buy it again, yes, I likely would spend the extra 40 bux and get the really good chain tho...
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    I've had a Sidewinder chain and sprocket set on my built Raptor for three years with great *success,wouldn't get a season out of a DID chain.
    * Recently bought a Busa powered sandcar that was streching the chain every time I left camp.Replaced with a Krause chain, had a bit of streching first time out ,but very little since then. It is an expenseve chain but I expect the same good results I saw with my Raptor.I think this is a product you do get what you paid for.I need sprockets already and will use sidewinders if they have what I need.Will post my input once installed.
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    I had a customer that stretched then snapped 3 chains within about 3 months, I told him about the sidewinder chain, he switched last year and hasn't had a problem since. *I recommend them to all my customers...

    If you had bent pins, I would think the likely cause would be misalignment IMO..
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    I just ordered mine today. I got the 16,000 *titanium chain long enough to make 2 chains with 2 masters and a can of lube... $350!!!!

    Ill see it tomorrow.
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    Hi everyone, I`m new to this site.

    I just purchased a top-of-the-line Krause/Sidewinder (except only a 16,000 lb SmartChain, not the 17,000 lb XP) system based on their advertisements and testimonials. However since then, I have read so many terrible things regarding chain stretch, customer service, and warranty coverage, that I`m thinking I should have avoided them like the plague. I`ve heard their chains AND their sprockets are way over-priced and neither actually last any longer than anyone else`s steel or stainless or tool steel sprockets that are a mere $80 (like SuperSprox Stealth). But is that actually true, in the case of their TiMoly and/or new TiII sprockets? Stealth are `merely` high carbon steel, yet they still provide a lifetime warranty, so it begs the question.

    Now I see some above who have not only had good experiences, but in Yoshi`s case actually recommend them to customers over other brands. So I`m confused.....by experience, has anyone found their 16,000 lb 520 SmartChain`s stretch more or less than $100 Japanese chains? Their ads suggest the latter. I`m not talking outright breaking strength here, but elongation, from wear between pin OD`s and roller ID`s (or whatever causes the chain to get longer over time, as I wouldn`t think a 16,000 lb tensile strength chain would literally be stretched, that is metal in the plates plastically deformed).

    They cost $170 due presumably to larger TiMoly pins/rollers and material/heat-treatment to achieve 16,000 lb strength, so they should last at least 70% longer. If so I`d be happy, but if they only last the SAME as a DID/EK/RK o-ring or x-ring chain, well then I`d have wasted my money completely. Okay not completely, since you are getting a stronger chain to pulverize a rock caught in your drive, or for high hp applications like many of you have, but the reality is they say they don`t stretch so why am I reading about INCREDIBLE amounts of stretch? This will of course be harder on the sprockets, so their expensive chain will act to reduce the life of their expensive sprockets. All find if they honour the warranty on the sprocket IF you got the TiII, but still a pain and cost and stress to ship back and wait for their blessing. Not to mention the cost of another chain that is NOT guaranteed for life.

    In answering, if you could mention if your experience was with a 7,000, 10,000 or whatever strength chain, as it could be that their lower strength/quality/cost chains (though same price and strength as DID/EK/RK), DO stretch too much, and their high end 16,000 lb chains are the ones to get. If their lower strength chains last the same as the others, that is acceptable as at least their cost is within the ballpark. But the full-blown 16,000 lb chain should last 70% longer just like their weaker chains shouldn`t last half as long as the Japanese.

    I`m also interested in the durability of their TiII rear sprockets, as the trick is, to get the lifetime warranty on that you need a Sidewinder chain. If the sprocket is great and they backup their warranty, but the chain sucks or is no better than a Japanese chain, then a buyer is put in the position of either sacrificing the warranty and running a Japanese chain, or continue replacing expensive Sidewinder chains from now on with the same regularity (or more) just so they can get a replacement sprocket someday (IF it ever wears out). Further complicating things is the possible need for a Supertrax chain due to their TiMoly rollers, as regular chain rollers may wear preferentially on the TiMoly or TiII sprocket teeth.

    Thanks in advance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Doug Heim View Post
    I just ordered mine today. I got the 16,000 *titanium chain long enough to make 2 chains with 2 masters and a can of lube... $350!!!!

    Ill see it tomorrow.
    How did this work out for you? Was your chain a SmartChain or a non-o-ring?

    As alluded to above, I actually ordered a TiII sprocket and 16,000 lb SmartChain, which came to about $450 (including shipping, and some extras - chain and sprockets alone were about $340). In addition to what I`ve heard on the web with alarming regularity (and no I haven`t seen the same when googling other manufacturers like Stealth and IronMan), they hardly EVER phone back or reply to an email, and if they do reply to email, its like 3 words and doesn`t answer much of what I`d asked. The combination of personal experience-to-date and the experience of others, doesn`t give me a good feeling about these guys or their products. I hope this is not representative of a frustrating time to come with them and their products. If it turns around at any time, I`ll be the first to modify/delete my statements, and instead sing their praises. But at this point things aren`t looking good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sickpuppy View Post
    I've had a Sidewinder chain and sprocket set on my built Raptor for three years with great *success,wouldn't get a season out of a DID chain.
    * Recently bought a Busa powered sandcar that was streching the chain every time I left camp.Replaced with a Krause chain, had a bit of streching first time out ,but very little since then. It is an expenseve chain but I expect the same good results I saw with my Raptor.I think this is a product you do get what you paid for.I need sprockets already and will use sidewinders if they have what I need.Will post my input once installed.
    Sickpuppy, back in 2008 you were going to install Sidewinder, just wondering how they`re working. What kind of chain was it, o-ring, 16,000 lb, 520....?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bugpac View Post
    I bought the 16000 tensile strength chain, and broke it after about 15 minutes of use, Both pins were bent over were it broke, I thought it likely stretched, But after carefull evaluation, It very well may have been misaligned....This all with a gsxr600 powered car with a jackshaft setup....I called them on the telephone, and had a replacement in 4 days....Went i first purchased the chain, It had a lifetime warranty, Since then they now have changed there policy to one year...

    Would i buy it again, yes, I likely would spend the extra 40 bux and get the really good chain tho...
    Bugpac, you said you bought the 16,000 lb chain, and the pins broke. They sent you another, which is fantastic. How did the replacement stand up? Is it stretching a lot (I realize you have a very powerful engine on it, mine is a mere 60 hp)?

    Also, at the end you said you`d buy from them again, but would spend the extra $40 for the really good chain. However, 16,000 is their top of the line, other than that XP 17,000 lb one. Is that what you meant?
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    Quote Originally Posted by beeradd88 View Post
    Bugpac, you said you bought the 16,000 lb chain, and the pins broke. They sent you another, which is fantastic. How did the replacement stand up? Is it stretching a lot (I realize you have a very powerful engine on it, mine is a mere 60 hp)?

    Also, at the end you said you`d buy from them again, but would spend the extra $40 for the really good chain. However, 16,000 is their top of the line, other than that XP 17,000 lb one. Is that what you meant?
    Hard to say what changed in 2 yrs, I never installed the new one, sold it to Rowyco..
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    I still have the one Bug sold me. I bought it so I would have a spare in case I had a failure out in the desert but so far my original sidewinder chain has held up fine (3 years) so I have not had to go to the spare yet.
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