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    I have been on here for a while, reading everyones posts on the stadium lite class, and all I gotta say is, I want one so bad. K- Fab those briggs cars you got was a god send. Every since I was a kid I have been hooked wanting to be able to race one of those things in a stadium. After reading alot of posts on here I am afraid they are still out of my price range at 10,000-15,000 for essenially a toy. I know they got the trophy karts going on too but again they are still a little to out of my price range. So it kinda got me thinking, why not come up with a diffrent class, call it the "dirt poor class" or what ever. Why not make the rules simple, thus keeping the price down,

    here it goes: Make the max width say 55-60 inches, all the suspension parts half to be from a production quad ( no aftermarkets shocks ), Rear suspension would have to be the swingarm style off of the donor quad, Set a max length of say 100" or so. Set a specific rule for the engine that it must be out of a production quad ( no street bike motors) that way the cost would stay down and be more competive. I mean I know that compared to a Briggs car even the best built "dirt poor car" wouldn't even compare, however if you did a class like that most guys got a quad allready they could convert, the frame wouldnt cost much to build keeping the cost well under 2000 plus the quad cost.

    I mean it is just a thought I know that its not going to be the best thing out there however it would allow just about anyone to build something that would be competive with another guy, so they can meet at a local track and trade paint. Tell me what you think.
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    There is a guy at Silver Lake with a Bombardier DS 650 that he made into a kind of homemade sidewinder.

    There is also a nice looking Bombardier ds 650 for sale locally for 1500 bucks. So it is a doable thing.

    Quite honestly I like the genral idea. Not real sure about the rear sold axle concept BUT I do understand why you suggest it. IRS quad guys might complain :] They are still a tad higher but dropping in cost.

    For the power most quad engines make IRS with keyed shafts could be done. There are guys running minis with 600cc plus street bike engines in them with keyed shafts so even a simple IRS could be made on the cheap.

    Or for that matter if a person could make a deal with a parts supplier to get a bunch of parts made on the cheap for a simple IRS rear it could be the one mandatory thing that must be used?
    Now that NOBAMA has PROVEN he is the absolute WORST president in the history of history Jimmy Carter can thank him for stealing the dunce crown.

    Lets hope the next guy repeals NObama care along with the rest of the stupid crap this blight on our windshield has done.
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    yeah something like that would work with the IRS however if you used the rear swingarm off the quad it would keep the cost as minimal as possible, however I think that after there is the "bare bones class" I am sure guys will want start upgrading there rides to make them even better and if that is the case I think that another "open" class could be allowed for them, but for the most part I think that a cheap race ride would be awesome, espicailly if a whole bunch of guys can afford to build them and race each other.
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    It's being done all over Europe google kart cross and you will see all types from dual to single a arms buggys. And they get large driver turn outs.
    Here is a site for building one style.

    Montaje o construcción paso a paso de un Car-Cross
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    Google china lites racing...
    Low cost entry, or get into a Honda...
    Ody or Pilot...
    I have one of each and they are competitive with the UTV Class of racing


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    I have been on here for a while, reading everyones posts on the stadium lite class, and all I gotta say is, I want one so bad. K- Fab those briggs cars you got was a god send. Every since I was a kid I have been hooked wanting to be able to race one of those things in a stadium. After reading alot of posts on here I am afraid they are still out of my price range at 10,000-15,000 for essenially a toy. I know they got the trophy karts going on too but again they are still a little to out of my price range. So it kinda got me thinking, why not come up with a diffrent class, call it the "dirt poor class" or what ever. Why not make the rules simple, thus keeping the price down,

    here it goes: Make the max width say 55-60 inches, all the suspension parts half to be from a production quad ( no aftermarkets shocks ), Rear suspension would have to be the swingarm style off of the donor quad, Set a max length of say 100" or so. Set a specific rule for the engine that it must be out of a production quad ( no street bike motors) that way the cost would stay down and be more competive. I mean I know that compared to a Briggs car even the best built "dirt poor car" wouldn't even compare, however if you did a class like that most guys got a quad allready they could convert, the frame wouldnt cost much to build keeping the cost well under 2000 plus the quad cost.

    I mean it is just a thought I know that its not going to be the best thing out there however it would allow just about anyone to build something that would be competive with another guy, so they can meet at a local track and trade paint. Tell me what you think.
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    I love the idea. But I dont like the quad build rules. I can see a 4 stroke cc limit. Size limit as well. But it would be cheaper for me to rework my china buggy, drop a quad motor, make some longer a-arms, rework the rear, and race. With those rules your limiting your pool to guy's who have a quad they dont mind killing or dont mind buying one to kill it. Also at that slim stance with a solid axle and no shock up grades your gonna see alot of these on there sides. Been there done that. One roll and I up graded shocks.
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    I see everyones points, the thing is, is that I want to keep the cost down for everyone, yet make it competive for everyone too, thats why the quad build. However I dont want to exclude the other china buggies or the buggies like the sidewinders. The only problem is, if you let in the other buggies, they are much wider then any quad build you could make in the rear end with out completly rebuilding the rear end.of the quad, if you do that then the cost goes up.hmmmm any way to do it its a paradox. I think have a open class or mini buggy class, if it fits in the size requirments for width, wheel base, engine hp, and weight then it can race, simple as that. I also think a class for the quad builds, say the "hybrid class" would still be do able, since it would be a very cheap and I think a very competive class since everyone would be on a pretty much even playing field. I think that is a good debatable idea.
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    IF you ever figure this out it will be a blessing and a miracle.

    To many want to run there own homebrews and if they are built safe thats cool as hell. BUT many are just built for buildings sake so might be a tad out of the rules. Bend a little here then al ittle more there than whammo. You got some crazy things running with tame ones.

    Setting a cc limit sounds good but its not fair unless its higher. I weigh 280 pounds and I aint fat. Its not weight I can loose. Me in a smaller engined buggy against a 145 pound guy aint fair to me at so that would take my fun out of it.

    I still think the best way somone is really gonna get this going is to simpley set up a simple racing chassis on a mini assembly line and sell them cheap.

    But again I am 6 foot 2 inch. I fit in a Pilot OK. But not much smaller.
    It would have to accomodate most.

    Many who have been messing with the racing bit will tell you that simply getting any decent amount of ANY vehicles to a race track will be a HUGE start. If only one or two show then the track people might not want to bother. They usualy want six if its tiny or usually 8 or more to keep the crowds excited.

    You will never please all the people no matter what you do.
    If you read the racing threads here and on Dee Tee Sss you will see that not to many agree on any one thing!

    Except that a good race series would be cool.

    Only China buggies allowed and the first one to complete a lap!!!

    lol Sorry I had too!
    Now that NOBAMA has PROVEN he is the absolute WORST president in the history of history Jimmy Carter can thank him for stealing the dunce crown.

    Lets hope the next guy repeals NObama care along with the rest of the stupid crap this blight on our windshield has done.
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    I think on the hybrid class, due like a 700cc max, that way every quad engine made would work up to the 700cc fuel injected raptors. I thiink for sure a sugested chassis construction rules would be a good think, I am not up on what rules would be good but I am sure that something like 1.25x .095 would be very strong expecially in a small frame like the ones we are talking about. And for the weight what about a maximum weight that each has to meet, that way everyone is equal, kinda like I have seen shifter karts do. I mean just a few ideas I mean I am not a big fan of everything being the same weight but worth considering
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