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Damien
07-07-2008, 09:08 PM
do any race rhinos use power steering? if so what kit do they use? do they need it? this system was brought up in the mini buggy controls forum but it doesnt sound like anyone has used it.

Yamaha Rhino Electric Power Steering System [8051510] - $995.00 : ATV Power Steering, Performance All Terrain Vehicle Steering Components (http://atvpowersteering.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=68&zenid=aaff27f7d610cc8a84a76f2999e40756)

it sure is a simple kit if it works, if it doesnt then its an expensive experiment. I figure if this kit or anyother holds up on a race rhino then it would work on my mini buggy (1200lbs, cbr 929, 33 in. tires)

Any opinions?

thanks!

Damien

masterfabr
07-07-2008, 09:15 PM
I'm REALLY curious also.

Bugpac
07-07-2008, 09:18 PM
do any race rhinos use power steering? if so what kit do they use? do they need it? this system was brought up in the mini buggy controls forum but it doesnt sound like anyone has used it.

Yamaha Rhino Electric Power Steering System [8051510] - $995.00 : ATV Power Steering, Performance All Terrain Vehicle Steering Components (http://atvpowersteering.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=68&zenid=aaff27f7d610cc8a84a76f2999e40756)

it sure is a simple kit if it works, if it doesnt then its an expensive experiment. I figure if this kit or anyother holds up on a race rhino then it would work on my mini buggy (1200lbs, cbr 929, 33 in. tires)

Any opinions?

thanks!

Damien

I think the new grizzlys have power assist, maybe find some smashed stuff or something...

masterfabr
07-07-2008, 09:25 PM
After lookijg at the site I think I'll call them tomorrow.

bdkw1
07-07-2008, 10:24 PM
After lookijg at the site I think I'll call them tomorrow.

Perfect! I've been waiting for somebody to step up and buy one. Now hurry up, I need an option if My GM unit doesn't pan out. :p

utvfab
07-08-2008, 12:31 AM
I have been to many of the short course races out here and hardly anyone uses power steering. It really isnt needed for race purpose at least not in short course. Now a long desert race might be a different story. I have put many miles on my rhino and about the only place it would be nice is in 4 low crawling over rocks. But to each his own..... let me know how the electric one works.

masterfabr
07-08-2008, 01:43 PM
I talked to them today.I'm interested to say the least.

Damien
07-08-2008, 05:09 PM
I did a lot of searching and found quite a few threads on rhinoforum.net which dealt with this particular electric power steering set up. the reviews were positive but who knows if it would work in the desert on a larger minibuggy? I dont really want to be the first one to try!

masterfabr
07-08-2008, 06:04 PM
If 2 others want to do a group buy I can save us some money.

Bugpac
07-08-2008, 06:09 PM
How much?

masterfabr
07-08-2008, 06:22 PM
Approx 825 bux plus shipping.

jp350
07-08-2008, 10:03 PM
The following is taken from the link provided in the beggining of this thread.

..........Maval Manufacturing Inc. and Unisteer Performance Products recommend that this product should not be used in extreme environmental conditions or in competitive activities. Maval Manufacturing Inc. and Unisteer Performance Products do not accept liability for any malfunction, damage, or injury incurred as a result of use of this product in extreme environmental conditions or in competitive activities

Probably in there more to cover their butts then anything.

masterfabr
07-08-2008, 10:13 PM
The following is taken from the link provided in the beggining of this thread.

..........Maval Manufacturing Inc. and Unisteer Performance Products recommend that this product should not be used in extreme environmental conditions or in competitive activities. Maval Manufacturing Inc. and Unisteer Performance Products do not accept liability for any malfunction, damage, or injury incurred as a result of use of this product in extreme environmental conditions or in competitive activities

Probably in there more to cover their butts then anything.That's the impression I got from my conversation with them today.

amergin
07-08-2008, 10:25 PM
Approx 825 bux plus shipping.


Wow! That's a good deal really, $170 off the listed price.

masterfabr
07-09-2008, 05:40 AM
IF we do a group buy.

Damien
07-09-2008, 10:13 AM
I may be interested in the unit with 2 ujoints that have a smooth bore 3/4" on one side to weld to my steering shaft.

masterfabr
07-09-2008, 10:56 AM
I haven't pinned down any details other than we can get a substantial discount for 3 or more in a group buy.I am only guessing that they will only be available in the configurations that are available.There are about 6 different columns.Look at the website and see if any would work for you.

http://atvpowersteering.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=68&zenid=aaff27f7d610cc8a84a76f2999e40756
I'm pretty sure at this point we could get them for approx 845bux + shipping as a group buy.I'd get them in and forward them to you.There has to be a minimum of 3 to get the group buy discount.That's all the info I have for now.

Bugpac
07-09-2008, 09:09 PM
Give me a few days to research this, I sell unisteer products via a distributor, they may be able to get this....

Bugpac
07-09-2008, 09:14 PM
I haven't pinned down any details other than we can get a substantial discount for 3 or more in a group buy.I am only guessing that they will only be available in the configurations that are available.There are about 6 different columns.Look at the website and see if any would work for you.

Yamaha Rhino Electric Power Steering System [8051510] - $995.00 : ATV Power Steering, Performance All Terrain Vehicle Steering Components (http://atvpowersteering.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=68&zenid=aaff27f7d610cc8a84a76f2999e40756)
I'm pretty sure at this point we could get them for approx 845bux + shipping as a group buy.I'd get them in and forward them to you.There has to be a minimum of 3 to get the group buy discount.That's all the info I have for now.

did you call texas or ohio?

masterfabr
07-09-2008, 09:17 PM
Maybe better price also hopefully. unisteer offered a site discount to rhinoforums.net . I think it was for 875bux for a couple of months.See if they will offer a better deal here.

masterfabr
07-09-2008, 09:18 PM
I called texas

Bugpac
07-09-2008, 09:19 PM
the link posted is a dealer, it is not the manufacturer. From what i can tell anyways...I am going to check and see if i can get it thru the ditributor..Unisteer and hot rods go hand in hand now days...

masterfabr
07-09-2008, 09:27 PM
You are correct.On both counts.I'm all for trying one if we can get a good/better price.When you call ask about the difference in the gator one as compared to all the others.It appears that they use different motors.I'm thinking one or the others is more powerful.I could be totally wrong.Also see if they could be had without any mounting brackets and just the input/output uj's. Might save some more money.Get the price right parts boy and I'll but 2.:D

jumpin jellybean
07-12-2008, 12:35 PM
:confused: but? do you mean buy [smilie=tr_sorry.gi: just doing grammer patrol[smilie=smackbottom:[smilie=blowkiss.gi:

Bugpac
07-12-2008, 01:52 PM
:confused: but? do you mean buy [smilie=tr_sorry.gi: just doing grammer patrol[smilie=smackbottom:[smilie=blowkiss.gi:

we got a grammar cop already, thank you very much....:cool:

jumpin jellybean
07-12-2008, 02:54 PM
:rolleyes:;) Sorry couldn't help myself

masterfabr
07-12-2008, 03:20 PM
:p:p:p:p:D:D

Damien
07-21-2008, 02:16 PM
I talked to Dave at Poly Performance. he will meet or beat the group discount on these power steering kits, and he will sell them individually, no need to do a group buy. He's ordering me one today.

Dave---805-783-2060

Polyperformance.com

K-fab
07-21-2008, 07:15 PM
we got a grammar cop already, thank you very much....:cool:Uh, pardon... We HAVE a grammar cop already. [smilie=ext_tease.g: (who's running really late on pulling this one over and issuing a ticket.)[smilie=blowkiss.gi:
Just sharing the MBN love, just sharing the love. [smilie=rolleyes.gi:

masterfabr
07-21-2008, 08:39 PM
I talked to Dave at Poly Performance. he will meet or beat the group discount on these power steering kits, and he will sell them individually, no need to do a group buy. He's ordering me one today.

Dave---805-783-2060

Polyperformance.comI have one coming from a guy in Az.He had an extra from a group buy and he sold it to me for 750bux shipping included.SWEET!:D

Bugpac
07-21-2008, 08:41 PM
[smilie=haha.gif][smilie=ext_tease.g:

masterfabr
07-21-2008, 08:46 PM
:):p;):D[smilie=ecstatic.gi::cool::D:D:D:D

PIG
07-22-2008, 01:02 PM
I have one coming from a guy in Az.He had an extra from a group buy and he sold it to me for 750bux shipping included.SWEET!:D

Thats a RAD deal right there..........

PIG
07-22-2008, 01:09 PM
[quote=Damien;140610]I talked to Dave at Poly Performance. he will meet or beat the group discount on these power steering kits, and he will sell them individually, no need to do a group buy. He's ordering me one today.

masterfabr
07-22-2008, 02:32 PM
PIG,[smilie=sign_welcom: to the site!!! Please contact amergin ASAP,please.

PIG
07-22-2008, 02:55 PM
PIG,[smilie=sign_welcom: to the site!!! Please contact amergin ASAP,please.

OK, how do I do that... Can he contact me....? Is amergin his user name on the site...?

masterfabr
07-22-2008, 08:03 PM
It's his site name.PM him is easiest way. Go to quick links and go to private massages .Put his name on recipient line.He needs to set you up as a vendor.

Damien
07-29-2008, 10:30 AM
I just got my kit today from poly performance. I'm going to instal it today and test it out. I'll keep everyone posted.

masterfabr
07-29-2008, 10:36 AM
That's fantastic.I've got a unit coming but won't get to use it for a while.PLEASE keep us informed how it works for you.How heavy a buggy you using it on?

bdkw1
07-29-2008, 11:02 AM
We need pictures! [smilie=poked.gif]

Damien
07-30-2008, 10:46 AM
the buggy is 1300 lbs. and it has 33 in. yokohama super digger III on it so it should be a pretty good test, although it may be a couple of weeks before I actually get to really test it, but I'll take pictures and give everyone a report as soon as I get it hooked up.

masterfabr
07-30-2008, 11:24 AM
Similar to mine. Hope it works out well and will be durable.Good luck!

Damien
07-31-2008, 03:00 PM
So I installed it last night and got a chance to just drive it around in a smooth dirt area. It was great, very easy steering, not jerky at all. You really cant tell its there, its just easier to turn. We'll see how it works out on rough stuff in a week or two.

Damien

masterfabr
07-31-2008, 03:28 PM
That's great! I got mine today and it looks like a nice setup.HURRY UP and test the crap outta it!:D Curiousity is killing me!

Damien
08-01-2008, 09:32 AM
I'm hoping to test it this wednesday afternoon. I'll report back.

masterfabr
08-01-2008, 10:25 AM
Test the crap out of it!!!!:D:D:D [smilie=dancing.gif]

Damien
08-06-2008, 11:09 AM
so we got a chance to test it in some rough stuff. we did about 15 5-10min. runs while we were tuning the shocks. the terrain was rough sharp desert style whoops made by motorcycles, so they were pretty sharp, deep, and higher frequency than you usually see out in the desert, there were a fair number of tight turns as well. The steering performed very well. We had no problems with it. The steering motor got hot but not so hot that you couldnt put your hand on it. The car needed a steering damper before and still does although the kickback was reduced. I would recomend it for a minibuggy. I got the polaris Ranger kit and there were plenty of parts to adapt to my application. I got mine from polyperformance.com I would recomend them as well.

masterfabr
08-06-2008, 11:29 AM
That sounds fantastic.When you going to give it an hour or more test time?

Damien
08-06-2008, 12:19 PM
that could be a couple of months, we are working on the suspension then off to the desert for a real trial, sorry!

masterfabr
08-06-2008, 01:19 PM
Damn![smilie=evilmad.gif] Just kidding!:)

standfast
08-07-2008, 11:59 AM
What type of rack do you have it hooked up to Damien? Do they give you an idea of power (amps) draw for that motor?

Damien
08-11-2008, 01:06 PM
the rack is a latest rage rack, which I'm not very impressed with. As far as the amp draw, I think it says it in the instructions, they have the instructions on their website I think. Otherwise I could let you know in a few days.

xmotorcr
11-05-2008, 11:18 PM
has anyone put any real time into this product? i need to get one, also where is the cheapest place found. thanks

yoshi
11-06-2008, 06:28 AM
A customer of mine bought one and put it on a rail I built. He loves the hell outta it. I'm awaiting for him to get a lot of time on it before I start using them though, but I am very hopeful. He said it's small, light, and a snap to hook up, he 100 percent recommended I start using them.....

standfast
11-06-2008, 08:32 AM
I am a bit worried about what Damien said about the motor getting so hot. Anyone see this as a issue? Is it normal for this type of PS system? I am at the point that I need to make a decision about this now. Maybe this combined with a damper would take some stress off the motor?

Damien
11-06-2008, 10:05 AM
I have put some more time on it and it is still working fine. Unfortunately I have not made it to the desert yet to really beat it for an extended period of time. I got mine from Polyperformance.com they were great to deal with and cheap.

standfast
11-06-2008, 10:56 AM
Their website lists them at $995. You got a different deal right? Is that availabe to anyone or?

I agree they are great to deal with. I have spent a good chunk of money with them already and they take care of business well.

standfast
11-06-2008, 11:34 AM
Ok, so there is a couple people in UK on ebay selling $60 ish standalone adjustabe controllers for the Vauxhall Corsa (passenger car) power steering unit. They're adjustable via a Pot through their little computer. He said it needs no input from the factory engine/body computers whatsoever. I am not sure if the Vauxhall Corsa shares the same EPS system as any on the US vehicles at this point. (i am trying to find that out) He said he previously sold full columns to people to use with his controller. He sent me these auction numbers that you can check out on ebay. Just pop them in the search thingie.

250317920210

250280108092

This is an auction for the controller that he sells. Corsa Electric Power Steering Control Unit Rally Kit - eBay (item 250320120854 end time Nov-14-08 11:12:04 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250320120854&ssPageName=MERC_VIC_RCRX_Pr4_PcY_BIN_IT&refitem=250317920210&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=closed_view_item&usedrule1=CrossSell_LogicX&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget&_trksid=p284.m183&_trkparms=algo%3DCRX%26its%3DS%252BI%26itu%3DUCI%2 52BSI%26otn%3D4)

Will let you guys know what ever else I find out from him. I am trying to get the part # of the EPS unit it works with from him right now and then we can see if it matches the one BDKW1 has or maybe some others. He says it is REALLY easy to hook up and I like the adjustability of it. Plus I won't feel so bad if I burn one up since I can get another for probably $15 at my local "u-pull-it". That is if it works with the US GM counterpart vehicles. I am crossing my fingers.

Maybe BDKW1, could make out and compare the numbers in this pic with his? http://i7.ebayimg.com/07/i/000/e7/1f/ba6f_1.JPG

Oh yeah, FYI, Vauxhall is a GM company or subsidiary or whatever you call it.

standfast
11-06-2008, 11:46 AM
Ok, he just sent me this email with the part number on the column computer that his unit plugs into.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hi it seems to be the ECU for the steering coulum is made by mitsubishi

some part numbers

Corsa B ECU controller 09 115 063
Corsa C ECU controller 13 136 672

those are GM part numbers

Then the renualt CLIO EPAS code number 8200265136-A

Rus
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

The Corsa B and C are different versions of different Corsa's sold in different coutries.

bdkw1
11-06-2008, 12:30 PM
The unit I have is a Delphi unit. Does not look anything like the one in the picture unfortunantly.

standfast
11-06-2008, 02:58 PM
Damn. I wonder how many signals the delphi unit needs to see to function. There has got to be a way to simulate the signals to make it work. All I can think of is vehicle speed/ignition input/power/ground. The VSS is the signal they are adjusting with the pot.

Gonna have to talk to my buddy that is an EE. Maybe a little box that generates the signal can be easily made to control the Delphi unit?

plkracer
11-06-2008, 03:05 PM
Or find someone with a car with the EPS and record the signals that each wire puts out??

standfast
11-06-2008, 03:23 PM
I don't know anyone with one though. Maybe I can figure it out some other way. Need to locate a wiring diagram.

standfast
11-06-2008, 04:18 PM
Found a crappy wiring diagram of the Delphi unit off the cobalts. Doesn't tell much other than which wires are the power/gnd's. There is the 4 class 2 serial data wires that are in question.

bdkw1
11-06-2008, 07:08 PM
If I remember correctly, mine is of a cobalt.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g122/bdkw1/buggy/100_0207.jpg

I took it apart to see what makes it tick.

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g122/bdkw1/buggy/100_0311.jpg

There are 3 plugs in a group on the front. The top one is power, the middle one is ? inputs and the bottom one is for the torque sensor in the unit.

Since I am getting nowhere fast with this one, if somebody thinks they can get it to go, I'll ship it to them.


Edit, it's from a Malibu 05-07......

dunerocket
11-06-2008, 08:17 PM
I'll talk to a couple of the EE's at work. One owes me a favor and gets interested in odd things like this. Only downside is it could take a bit of time.

bdkw1
11-06-2008, 08:27 PM
Have you seen My project? It ain't exactly moving along real quick like......

standfast
11-07-2008, 11:28 AM
Ok so the GM Delphi units use a CAN bus input system (those 4 class 2 serial data wires in the wiring diagram posted above) and are much more difficult to simulate the signals for and much more difficult to engineer a solution for to make them work standalone. The delphi units also have a very sensitive overload protection system shuts down or cuts the assist levels down if the motor or the EPS computer gets to hot or loaded at full lock for too long. I would venture to guess that the systems available for the UTV's are not doing this and that's why the motor can get so hot and continue working. I think a steering stabilizer is probably a good idea to use with any of these systems to try to dampen/lessen the load that the motor has to fight. All of these EPS systems use a brush DC motor. Not sure which motor's are stronger than others but that is something worth researching. The stronger the motor is, the less likely you will overload/overheat the motor. Bigger is probably better.

Now, the Corsa units use engine speed an vehicle speed signals that are directly pulled from the engine's sensors. These are oscilating signals that are easy to simulate. This is why these little cheap adjustable boxes are available for the Corsa units and are so easy to adjust. I think I am gonna get a full unit with adjustable controller from this guy in the UK for about $300 and test it out. Of course I will let you all know how it works out. Here is some pics of the unit I am gonna try out.

dunerocket
11-07-2008, 12:35 PM
Did you get an idea of current draw? While searching out info on the Delphi unit I came across a max draw of 50A.

standfast
11-07-2008, 02:21 PM
Thats right. It can only draw that much for a short period of time at full lock before the overload protection kicks in though. The unit I am gonna try will be the same 50A.

Damien
11-11-2008, 09:47 AM
wow $300 complete sounds like a great deal. Keep us informed, that could definitely be the way to go as far as power assist in a minibuggy.

standfast
11-11-2008, 10:46 AM
We'll see how it works out. It ended up being $282 shipped. That includes the little adjustable box that they make for it and the whole unit. I will put up some pictures and bench test it when it gets here. I felt like the last car I had which was similar just needed a bit of assist added to it along with the damper so hopefully this puts it where I want it. Fortunately, the adjustability may help dial it in. Or maybe I will just have it full tilt the whole time. shrug

furtelli
11-11-2008, 12:22 PM
The whole set up for under $300 is a great deal. I like the adjustability. Hopefully it holds up.


What are you using for a rack and steering damper?

hadfield4wd
12-18-2008, 12:00 PM
Any followup on the Corsa Unit?