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Bullnerd
07-03-2008, 08:32 PM
Rorty R21 Solo Off-road Buggy Manual. (http://www.rorty-design.com/content/R21%20Solo_manual.htm)

Whatever happened to Rorty anyway? He give up on us?

Bugpac
07-03-2008, 09:24 PM
he just redid the manual so kludge could supply all the components..More power to him, hope it takes off...

amergin
07-04-2008, 01:04 AM
I think it's the updated version of the R15, Rorty would have to clarify that though. Hoping to see someone build one of these soon.

http://www.minibuggy.net/forum/minibuggy-net-lounge/7174-arena-trail-stadium-buggy.html#post111583

Pacman
07-04-2008, 10:28 AM
he just redid the manual so kludge could supply all the components..More power to him, hope it takes off...


I think your spot on bug......it looks like he had to redesign the rear hub to get away from the Proto-die parts.....he must have had a exclusive arrangement with proto-die for the R15 parts......hence the R21! Same buggy but different parts supplier.:D

Toddy
07-06-2008, 05:49 AM
I have bought the R15 plans and have not tried to source the uprights yet just made the ferules, bushes and a-arm mounts.
Will the R15 still be catered for by protodie?
I see the R15 has been taken of the site and is only 8 months old, just wondering if the R15 plan owners are going to be looked after or not?

Pacman
07-06-2008, 08:37 AM
I have bought the R15 plans and have not tried to source the uprights yet just made the ferules, bushes and a-arm mounts.
Will the R15 still be catered for by protodie?
I see the R15 has been taken of the site and is only 8 months old, just wondering if the R15 plan owners are going to be looked after or not?

My suggestion is to email Rorty......I'm sure it will update your plans for you to the new version.

masterfabr
07-06-2008, 09:09 AM
I think your spot on bug......it looks like he had to redesign the rear hub to get away from the Proto-die parts.....he must have had a exclusive arrangement with proto-die for the R15 parts......hence the R21! Same buggy but different parts supplier.:DWas protodie not making the needed parts available?

Bugpac
07-06-2008, 09:12 AM
I think he just got in bed with kludge so he decided to screw the little guys...

masterfabr
07-06-2008, 09:18 AM
hmmmmmmm

Gene
07-06-2008, 09:19 AM
Is that necessary? Kludge is a small guy beginning a small business. Let's keep it constuctive . . .

masterfabr
07-06-2008, 09:28 AM
I thought protodie made quality parts and was making them available. WHat's really up?

Bugpac
07-06-2008, 09:52 AM
The truth is out there, interpret it as you wish.. It used Protodie rear uprights, as I said, it was redesigned so kludge could sell the stuff, plain and simple....seems the r15 is no longer for sale, I have a full version of the plans, And IMO the car sux...

amergin
07-06-2008, 08:50 PM
Jody does make quality parts, I've bought several custom parts from him. My custom rear MLM hub adatpers are ProtoDie. Also ordered a custom type IV rear carrier along with front hubs. Fit and fisnish on everything was top notch.

Until one of three people post the details about what happened, anything posted here is nothing more then speculation and hearsay. The business dealings between Rorty and his suppliers is really none of our business IMHO. I wouldn't hold out hope or even expect any of the above mentioned members to post details either.

MongooseGSXR750
07-07-2008, 04:32 AM
Hey Bugpac,

I was thinking of investing in the R15, now R21 plans, what sux about it ?

Thanks
Kev

Bugpac
07-07-2008, 01:31 PM
zit looks like a shoebox with some wheels on it....

masterfabr
07-07-2008, 01:42 PM
Very informative.Thank you.

dunerocket
07-07-2008, 05:13 PM
I agree with ProtoDie on the different thicknesses. I redesigned a few items in the R16 to use .250 instead of the .187 and .250.

The other thing I see as being a problem is configuration managment. There are different revisions flying around, the manual doesn't always agree with the drawings, and then suppliers change design. I was bit with the change over from FMS to Tatum on the front hubs.

Once I figured it out, Rorty and Kludge helped me with the information I required to fix my problem.

A single source should help to avoid those problems.

Rorty's service easily makes up for the inconsistencies in the plans.

masterfabr
07-07-2008, 05:29 PM
Seeems like the thing to do would be to let those other sources know they were being dropped though.They did afterall invest time and money and then to not even be told they were dropped????What's with that?

dunerocket
07-07-2008, 06:07 PM
I don't know what the arrangements were so I cannot comment. I'm just speculating on why it was done from my experience with the R16 plans.

Bullnerd
07-07-2008, 07:05 PM
I was not trying to start all this,Just pointing it out for anyone that doesnt visit his site,there was a "new" model.

Montanaminirail
07-08-2008, 10:06 PM
You would hope that Rorty would offer the customers who purchased the R15 manual a refund, or supply them with the new replacement manual.
Jody / ProtoDie


I checked to see if he would send me the drawings for just the new parts and instead, he is offering a discount on the price if you wish to get the new plans.
I think I will just ditch it and wait until someone has a Briggs style plan set available.

masterfabr
07-08-2008, 10:20 PM
I checked to see if he would send me the drawings for just the new parts and instead, he is offering a discount on the price if you wish to get the new plans.
I think I will just ditch it and wait until someone has a Briggs style plan set available.You already had the old R21 plans and he won't GIVE you the upgrades??? Don't think I'd appreciate that at all.

Montanaminirail
07-08-2008, 10:25 PM
He said the changes to the R15 plans are too many to call it an upgrade.

Rorty
07-09-2008, 03:39 AM
I have bought the R15 plans and have not tried to source the uprights yet just made the ferules, bushes and a-arm mounts.
Will the R15 still be catered for by protodie?
I see the R15 has been taken of the site and is only 8 months old, just wondering if the R15 plan owners are going to be looked after or not?

I'm working on an update for the R15 to use the R21 Solo's suspension. The R21's chassis is identical to the R15's, but everything in the suspension is new. I've received a lot of emails in the past few days and it's obvious a lot of R15 builders have, or will hit a brick wall with their suspension parts, so the suspension update will be available soon-ish as a freebie to existing R15 customers.

I say soon-ish because I'm involved in a project at the moment and I don't have a spare moment, but rest asured, the update will be done ASAP.

Frank (Kludge here on MBN and the man behind Mini Buggy Sypply Inc.) is a very reliable business professional and is 100% devoted to this buggy and many other Rorty models too. Some other interesting models are in the pipeline too as a result of us being "in bed together".

Bug, you need to grow up - I have a broad back, but other members are getting really fed up with your attitude. [smilie=sad.gif]

As I said in my last email, I am not putting the screws on you or anyone else. My original offer still stands if you'd like to discuss it. Has anyone even asked you for bushes or any other parts?

masterfabr
07-09-2008, 05:48 AM
Is this suggesting that Protodie was not reliable or committed to supplying the necessary suspension parts that the plans originally called for? I haven't heard of him not being reliable.

ProtoDie
07-09-2008, 06:29 AM
I am asking the same question???
Bob, Please clarify which suspension parts are the brick wall, and if you are refering to me / ProtoDie and the parts I supply.

Bob said "I've received a lot of emails in the past few days and it's obvious a lot of R15 builders have, or will hit a brick wall with their suspension parts, so the suspension update will be available soon-ish as a freebie to existing R15 customers."


As stated earlier, 3 people total have contacted me on the R15 parts since you released them and I supplied 2 of them with the parts they requested.

This was back in April, and I have not heard a thing from any others who purchased your R15 plans,,,,let alone alot of emails in the past few days.


I have no problem if you chose a new direction and supplier for your design, but do not blame me not supplying parts as a reason some have chose not to build that design.

Please clarify your statements

Rorty
07-09-2008, 07:42 AM
Jody, email sent. :)

Gene
07-09-2008, 08:49 AM
It's better for the board to keep business details between suppliers and customers IMO.

The rest of us are obsververs. While we are interested we don't necessarily need to know nor does the community benefit from details. This is not the place to air it out so let it work out among those with a vested rather than a passing or petty interest.

louis
07-09-2008, 01:14 PM
Don't make Rorty mad, I am hoping he will comment on my X brace issue on the R82s either in the build log or via email.

Louis

masterfabr
07-09-2008, 01:17 PM
I'm sure he'll answer your question if you PM him. He has always been helpful to buyers of his plans.

Rorty
07-09-2008, 04:44 PM
Don't make Rorty mad, I am hoping he will comment on my X brace issue on the R82s either in the build log or via email.

Louis

:D Don't worry, I'm not that thin-skinned! I did see you email in today's inbox (62 enquiries from my web site alone), and I will answer it as soon as I can get to it.

I am busy, but I always have time for my customers and I aim to reply to them within 48 hours (usually a lot sooner), but as I don't drop in here regularly, it's best to email me rather than send me a PM.

Rorty
07-09-2008, 05:00 PM
Jody has asked me to post about this subject for all to see, so here it is:
Jody denies anyone has requested R15 parts from him recently. He tells me he has two sets of R15 parts, so if any R15 builders want them, I'd suggest contacting him soon. Jody also said he will continue to make the R15 rear uprights and front hubs for any R15 customers wanting them.

The R15 has been retired because the R21 is simply an uncompromised, clean sheet design which I have full manufacturing control over - no other reason.

ProtoDie
07-09-2008, 08:29 PM
Amergin,

If I have time before this is closed, then I apologize, as I was not aware of the rules & not posting private messages.
I may have been caught up in revealing the truth of this matter and will rembember this rule in the future, but either way I did not know it was a rule.
The truth of this is out & your right anything more is just a pissin match.

LEE1969GB
07-10-2008, 03:05 PM
Rorty,
Is that correct, You do not supply a complete design so people have to buy some parts from your supplier?

amergin
07-10-2008, 06:49 PM
Based on information I have recieved from Bob, the R15/21 was developed from the ground up with suppliers for some of the harder to fabricate parts. This was done at the request of customers to make the build process faster and easier. There are still Rorty plans available with full details for all components of the buggy.

Bullnerd
07-10-2008, 07:21 PM
I'm not posting anymore,every time i do it turns into a hate-fest.

LiveWire
07-11-2008, 08:46 AM
I freely admit I did so.A person can't call me names in a pm and then deny you ever did so without me showing differently. For the record I closed the topic before amergin stepped in.It's his site and can do as he pleases about deleting as many posts as he wishes.If he had not I was.The BS and insults had gotten too deep and deserved deletion.

This is more of a suggestion and is not meant as an attack on you. I think it would be best if a moderator is actively involved in a thread, that he not moderate that thread. One of the other moderators should lock or delete posts in the thread if needed. That way it reduces the appearance of using your extra privileges to skew a thread in your preferred direction. I am not saying that occurred, just that it could be perceived that way.

masterfabr
07-11-2008, 09:35 AM
This is more of a suggestion and is not meant as an attack on you. I think it would be best if a moderator is actively involved in a thread, that he not moderate that thread. One of the other moderators should lock or delete posts in the thread if needed. That way it reduces the appearance of using your extra privileges to skew a thread in your preferred direction. I am not saying that occurred, just that it could be perceived that way.Suggestion agreed to and understood.That is why it was left for the OWNER of the site to do as he pleased with it.I closed the thread and amergin(owner) did the deletions.Locking was done to stop the BS and insults till another mod/admin could "do their thing".I had nothing to hide and left everything intact.I only closed it.IMO that was the appropriate thing to do at the time.

amergin
07-11-2008, 11:21 AM
The rules will be change to say personal correspondence. I believe the intent of the rule was clear no matter how someone wants to twist it to suit their needs.

K-fab
07-11-2008, 05:28 PM
Can we just drop this thread now?

Please?

Let it sink to the bottom of the MBN seas.

Okay?

Tater
07-11-2008, 05:47 PM
I am tired.Can I go to bed now?