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wschilawski
03-06-2014, 07:52 AM
It's about time I start my build. I'm working on a Shredder II very similar to what Lug-Nuts did. I'll be extending the trailing arms a good foot and other modificaitions here and there.

I've been working on the motor for the most part. Still have to blast the heads to get ready for paint.

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/motor_zps9bea9388.jpg

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wsch - instead of url linking (icon with the chain link) the photos you have in photobucket, use the image link (looks like an envelope with a mountain on it) and the photos will show up in your post. Hit the edit button and check out the difference between the link code (your link above) and the pic code

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/motor_zps9bea9388.jpg

K-fab
03-06-2014, 08:36 AM
Welcome to the site, btw. :)

collverj
03-06-2014, 09:01 AM
Another Shredder 2 build can't wait to see more pics. I am getting closer to finishing mine getting down to the little things you can check out my build thread here http://www.minibuggy.net/forum/projects-progress/19608-shredder-2-a.html

Again Can't wait to see more!

Also welcome to the site :)

wschilawski
03-06-2014, 01:45 PM
How's that?

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/basement_zps09d8b868.jpg

wschilawski
03-06-2014, 01:47 PM
and thanks for the welcome! - I'll slowly be collecting parts but I'm hoping to have the frame done by fall along with a running motor.

For you Shredder folks, anything I should watch out for?

collverj
03-06-2014, 08:16 PM
If I was to do it again I would make the seating area bigger both length and width for 2 people.

wschilawski
03-07-2014, 06:17 AM
Got a little masking done last night - hoping to paint some this weekend.
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/IMG_3505_zps397326db.jpg

Lug-Nuts
03-08-2014, 08:42 AM
Yep, at least 6" longer and wider in the seat area. That would make a big difference.

You would have to widen the front A-arm mount (bumper) or the a-arms, so your wheels can turn. My wheels hit when turned hard over. Dont forget that.

Cant wait to see the build!

cool power plant!

wschilawski
03-10-2014, 07:07 PM
I'll probably be looking at doing the +6" all around but I won't know until I start putting things together.

Made a little progress with the motor:
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/16ABDE05-9B50-4CC2-B604-3376F7184D07_zpsuweg0vkl.jpg
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/DC9FF6B6-922B-4805-9782-6C68E565293D_zpsxhfx9hvr.jpg
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/5E3E8D7A-B073-42B2-8863-22D28C4FB4A8_zpsu9vf8cay.jpg

Lug-Nuts
03-10-2014, 07:15 PM
Thats a cool motor![smilie=cool.gif]

I like it

wschilawski
03-11-2014, 08:08 AM
little more paint...

Thanks Lugs! I was going to do Cycle X's big bore kit but I figured for a budget build, I'll put the money elsewhere. Maybe next time...
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/77254A90-1EF4-408E-854A-62A913A6134F_zpswhaw1akg.jpg

wschilawski
03-12-2014, 04:41 PM
Blasted the head, breather cover, transmission cover, and oil filter cover. Also picked up some pistons and clutch plates.
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/58FEA16E-9823-48CB-985C-9468B11656E5_zps20mzz7md.jpg

Lug-Nuts
03-12-2014, 08:38 PM
I really like that its air cooled!!!

Nice work on the paint:D

wschilawski
03-12-2014, 09:05 PM
Thanks! Yeah it will be a unique buggy with the 750. I'm still thinking about throwing a fan on there with a switch as the seats will block most of my airflow.

Lug-Nuts
03-12-2014, 09:58 PM
couldn't hurt, prolly a good ieda.

CARLRIDDLE
03-13-2014, 05:27 AM
If theres a spot for oil cooler that be a good idea. There are some kits that bolt on where oil filter spins on that will give you the ports for lines. I picked up a complete setup, cooler lines and adapter for $100.

wschilawski
03-13-2014, 06:09 AM
thanks for the advice - CycleX sells an oil filter/cooler combo for $90 so I'm sure I'll get in touch with them.

wschilawski
03-13-2014, 11:25 AM
oil filter/cooler combo ordered

Up north
03-13-2014, 11:44 AM
Motor looks great in black! I considered a kz1000 motor for my buggy because it was free, I turned it down because it was air cooled and a wanted a full firewall to keep noise out and it had a dead cylinder, I did a leak down test and it was blowing a lot of air out of the exhaust so I assumed burnt valve. I should have taken it anyway. These air cooled, long stroke engines make a ton of power.

Oh and belated, but welcome!!

wschilawski
03-13-2014, 12:43 PM
Forgot to mention that I ordered a stainless fasteners set for the motor, along with a cylinder hone, and STEEL! Let the build begin!

wschilawski
03-14-2014, 06:46 PM
Cylinder hone came today - might be able to make some assembly progress on this motor this weekend.

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/A74A8A62-44E8-40E4-B560-29E46AD18781_zpsjnl3f1z0.jpg

wschilawski
03-15-2014, 04:08 PM
this motor is going to look pretty nice all blacked out...
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/64356074-46CE-4754-8BE7-26D21E0C315D_zpsbgmvvnjl.jpg
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/74BD53E6-91B0-42A6-BB00-F2F5FA7F80D9_zpsjqkwefa1.jpg

Lug-Nuts
03-15-2014, 07:24 PM
lookin good

Martinm210
03-15-2014, 10:29 PM
nice work on the motor, looking real good!

Up north
03-16-2014, 01:28 PM
Black is super sharp!

wschilawski
03-17-2014, 09:04 AM
accidentally unsubscribed to my own thread - any idea how to re-subscribe? I know to use the "thread tools" button but it gets me nowhere...same thing with any other thread :confused:

wschilawski
03-18-2014, 08:25 AM
steeeeeeel [smilie=rockout3.gi:
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/FA19FD06-F80E-4956-8F1A-41A1DBA60379_zpso9nab1ag.jpg

Up north
03-18-2014, 08:29 AM
steeeeeeel [smilie=rockout3.gi:
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/FA19FD06-F80E-4956-8F1A-41A1DBA60379_zpso9nab1ag.jpg

Awesome! Let the fun begin[smilie=smile.gif]

Lug-Nuts
03-18-2014, 10:06 PM
Its amazing that little pile of steel will soon be a off road vehicle

masternate
03-19-2014, 08:47 PM
I'm here for the build progress!

Martinm210
03-19-2014, 09:37 PM
I see an erector set..tinker toys...and more..:)[smilie=rockout3.gi:

wschilawski
03-20-2014, 06:10 AM
Masternate, you'll see some progress soon! I'll be working on laying the floor/trailing arms out this weekend. Gettin' there!

OzDamian
03-20-2014, 06:18 PM
Used an aircooled 4 on a buggy years ago that used to run hot behind the seat. We fixed it by gutting some CRT monitors and using the plastic housing as scoops. Have the opening where the screen used to be facing forward, then cut a hole in the bottom that faces the engine.Worked awesome and looked way tricker than expected when painted matt black to match the buggy.

wschilawski
03-21-2014, 08:27 AM
I'll still probably look into doing more of a fan (or multiple) behind the seats - but I guess you use what you can get!

daaboots
03-21-2014, 02:15 PM
Excellent job painting that engine!

wschilawski
03-21-2014, 02:34 PM
Impressive what you can do with a few high temp rattle cans, eh?

Up north
03-21-2014, 02:43 PM
Impressive what you can do with a few high temp rattle cans, eh?

Hey a good paint job is good for a couple extra horsepower right?

wschilawski
03-21-2014, 02:51 PM
Hey a good paint job is good for a couple extra horsepower right?

Exactly. And if I do OzDamian's CRT mod, who knows what this thing will be capable of! [smilie=giddy.gif]

wschilawski
03-21-2014, 04:38 PM
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/DDDEADD0-5F7B-4B0B-98A5-8E789C2B2CE7_zpsxrnzudbt.jpg

Up north
03-21-2014, 04:53 PM
Damn that looks nice, when will it be assembled?

wschilawski
03-21-2014, 05:51 PM
I'm thinking about assembling it after I figure out where I need it mounted - a lot easier to move an empty crankcase around...

Up north
03-21-2014, 08:14 PM
I'm thinking about assembling it after I figure out where I need it mounted - a lot easier to move an empty crankcase around...

I hear you there!

Lug-Nuts
03-24-2014, 08:47 PM
Hey buddy, got your question on my springs.

Im running FOA 6" travel, 14" 100# single spring. I get 13" travel at the wheel.

I think the 125#, or even the 150# spring would have been better.

I have the adjustment cranked down almost to the max according to FOA.

My rear shocks are the monroe air shocks I run 90-100 psi in them depending on how heavy my passenger is. Normally 90 is good.

Wheels
03-25-2014, 06:46 AM
dang, that motor looks sharp. great job so far.

wschilawski
04-14-2014, 12:41 PM
made a LITTLE progress this weekend:
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/E62F74F1-DEF2-4CF3-A294-BB5739152D7A_zpstsgstvu5.jpg

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/568F931F-F1A5-4DEC-A47D-82F99C864F18_zpssilmojrv.jpg

Lug-Nuts
04-14-2014, 02:52 PM
We love progress:D

bamabuggy
04-14-2014, 03:10 PM
Looks good nice paint job

rgvkid
04-14-2014, 05:50 PM
Those CB's are popular out here these days. They are economical, parts are pretty available, and they put out a good amount of power.
Looking good so far! Good luck on the build.

wschilawski
04-15-2014, 01:28 PM
Those CB's are popular out here these days. They are economical, parts are pretty available, and they put out a good amount of power.
Looking good so far! Good luck on the build.
Thanks! It helps that Cycle X is located a little over 2 hours away :D

Jerm
04-16-2014, 10:27 PM
Looking good man, i never understood why those s2 plans call for that overlapped piece as shown in the picture. With a few different mitered angles those members could all be flush with eachother and on the same plane.

rgvkid
04-16-2014, 10:37 PM
The overlapping is actually stronger and easier to work with, maybe thats why they have it built that way. Miters can be tough to cut and match for someone whom isn't used to working with tubing.
But it adds for unnecessary extra weight.

wschilawski
05-30-2014, 06:30 PM
gas tank - thanks lug for the idea!
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/photo_zps06d9a49e.jpg

Lug-Nuts
05-31-2014, 02:17 AM
Bitchin gas tank, they work great[smilie=haha2.gif]

wschilawski
06-02-2014, 03:56 PM
Got some progress...finally broke in the Hobart...
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/75D99E9E-FC3D-4AF7-A5BC-A3BE08465143_zpslo8ag03g.jpg

wschilawski
06-03-2014, 10:21 PM
wheels/tires...
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/0CF80866-DEDF-48F4-A4CB-F0627DDB60D5_zps8wjzyg6t.jpg

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/954ED756-8E17-49FC-B24D-DBAEA2257329_zpsncddghtw.jpg

wschilawski
06-09-2014, 12:29 PM
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/1B712B6F-A747-4FB9-9799-8B36ECF436A3_zps8pqfxleb.jpg
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/E767AB7E-788D-411E-802A-020DEEE12D0A_zpsx5bipbac.jpg
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/6DDB02D8-61DE-430D-A0A0-9AF1BEECC984_zpsjwd8u8wj.jpg

MrBracket
06-10-2014, 05:30 PM
Looking good! Always fun to prop the wheels into place and visualize.... Toss a seat in there and make some engine noises!!! :D

Martinm210
06-11-2014, 01:48 AM
Nice, taking shape...always fun watching the frame fill out..:)

Don't forget the steering wheel hovering in the air, I find the Gforce effect is much more pronounced when doing the obligatory invisible runs..:D

wschilawski
06-11-2014, 05:26 PM
Decided to redo the nose piece - wasn't exactly how I wanted it and found it was somewhat easier to weld to the frame. I have to find some seats for this thing!
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/A4060FC4-D47D-4AC2-84BB-92748785EE32_zpsgiwmcbwq.jpg

K-fab
06-11-2014, 08:32 PM
Hey, who makes the Shredder? I'd like to put this in the correct forum. Is there even a Shredder forum on the board? If not, I'll make one for you.

Lug-Nuts
06-11-2014, 10:55 PM
There is not a shredder forum. Seems they are becoming popular.

wschilawski
06-12-2014, 12:11 AM
That would definitely be a good idea:D

wschilawski
06-12-2014, 06:43 PM
Hey, who makes the Shredder? I'd like to put this in the correct forum. Is there even a Shredder forum on the board? If not, I'll make one for you.
Shredder II is from Backhoe Plans: Build a backhoe, these plans show how. (http://www.ubuilditplans.com/) that would be great to have a forum on the board though, gives others some great ideas.

wschilawski
06-13-2014, 01:06 AM
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/8BF5AF79-EF05-429B-ACCF-D2DF68273083_zpsnue0om5k.jpg

wschilawski
06-17-2014, 04:09 PM
[smilie=boogie.gif]Ordered up some heim joints for my front a-arms along with spindles/hubs/brake discs/rock guards from a 350 Banshee. Also cut and drill the a-arm mounts last night.

wschilawski
06-20-2014, 04:22 PM
Banshee hubs/spindles/rotors/rock shields came today:
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/0C01E5CA-537C-4B93-B34F-15739B8A5356_zpswx42lowo.jpg

Lug-Nuts
06-21-2014, 01:27 AM
Awesome, wish I would have gone that route, makes things a bit easier!

Lug-Nuts
06-27-2014, 02:23 AM
So how do we move our threads to this section?

wschilawski
06-27-2014, 09:23 AM
So how do we move our threads to this section?

I think K-fab moved mine

collverj
06-28-2014, 01:50 AM
I asked k-fab to move mine:)

wschilawski
06-28-2014, 08:29 PM
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/51ef4de769621766f00a82448ef210e9_zpsb883119e.jpg

Enough support?

Lug-Nuts
06-29-2014, 12:05 PM
According to the plans, but the plans also have you using up to 50 horse motor.

-Dont wreck and it's plenty:D

Lug-Nuts
06-29-2014, 12:11 PM
I have been thinking about adding some support to the front just above the dash area. One tube across horizontally a little higher than the steering wheel.

Also want to add a removable tee handle to the new tube for the passenger so they dont have to hold the outer cage (ouch in a rollover)

http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad200/lug-nuts/SN850858-Optimized2_zps38cb5613.jpg

Lug-Nuts
06-29-2014, 12:44 PM
I also wonder why the plans have the 2 dead tubes on the rear hoop, I've been thinking it needed to be addressed.

The roof area gets gussets in all 4 corners, but I think a cross tube would be better.

Here's the visual aid:)

http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad200/lug-nuts/SN850844-Optimized2_zps91618cb9.jpg

http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad200/lug-nuts/SN850695-Optimized2_zps590715f4.jpg

Lug-Nuts
06-29-2014, 12:45 PM
The tubes on the rear hoop could be any angle you want. 54chevy put his straight down from the horizontal mid tube in the rear hoop.

Just a idea.

Jerm
06-29-2014, 09:16 PM
Lugs i think you're on the right track, those tubes need to be continuous, they are all load paths.

wschilawski
07-03-2014, 11:48 AM
Starting to look like something!
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/49DB6A6D-AEC0-44D2-8FC2-31F78530D19E_zpsnqswvc6k.jpg

wschilawski
07-07-2014, 10:34 AM
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/3DCD4917-2F6A-4A53-98EE-AD982C601B54_zpsit6onvkb.jpg

wschilawski
07-31-2014, 06:30 PM
I can start making engine noises now...

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/F61FB0B0-CA6D-4D02-8058-99D3EDF7AD86_zpszp8a8hle.jpg

Lug-Nuts
08-01-2014, 12:38 AM
Awesome

wschilawski
08-04-2014, 12:56 PM
Made a little progress on motor mounts. Once everything is where it needs to be, I'll be doing some exhaust work and finalizing the rear end.
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/232309A4-EC13-4019-A4CD-DCD0877CA9AE_zpsr2gfcp8n.jpg
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/B957E71B-CA2C-41D5-A5FB-8E14F36B0267_zpsmwxntqrt.jpg

wschilawski
08-05-2014, 10:26 AM
Finished up the lower motor mounts and test fit the exhaust - still up in the air about the straight pipes but I have plenty of time!

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/2505D549-B473-4FCD-8E66-2A10006BC376_zpscc1zqvai.jpg

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/E343A2A8-22D7-4980-BD5F-B481D9ABE41F_zpsgjw2fvje.jpg

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/AAC9C489-B7BA-4246-B472-6ED182012455_zpse36tacvd.jpg

K-fab
08-05-2014, 12:58 PM
That looks great. I wonder if you could do a two into one and then into a muffler that runs across the back, similar to an XP's setup?

wschilawski
08-05-2014, 03:48 PM
That looks great. I wonder if you could do a two into one and then into a muffler that runs across the back, similar to an XP's setup?

I could definitely do something like that providing I have clearance from the chain

Lug-Nuts
08-06-2014, 01:05 AM
Nice work, its looking good!

wschilawski
08-10-2014, 11:06 PM
Worked on the lower A-Arms - should get them mounted up sometime this week. Made them out of 1-1/2 rather than the 1-1/4" - should hold up quite well.

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/00C7B225-282D-49C5-A308-777A910B6015_zpstylos6wi.jpg

wschilawski
09-03-2014, 10:34 AM
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/AEE7827D-C005-4E5F-BE66-A57554BDFE8B_zpsamnwruar.jpg

Lug-Nuts
09-03-2014, 03:30 PM
Even the 1-1/4" hold up nice, unless you hit a tree or a big rock

wschilawski
09-03-2014, 08:08 PM
I'll have to look in moving my mounts up a bit - I think I will hit the corner of the frame at full lock...

Lug-Nuts
09-04-2014, 12:04 AM
Mine does, its common for them to hit. Also look at other builds they have "dents" in the fenders where the a arms cycle up and hit. So u get the best of both worlds. Tires hit and so does a arm, Oh well its still fun

wschilawski
09-10-2014, 06:14 PM
where is everyone getting their steering racks?

Jerm
09-10-2014, 07:58 PM
I used this one:
8.5" Rack and Pinion for Sand Rails, Buggys,Go-Kart, Mini Rail, Trophy Kart. (http://www.ebay.com/itm/8-5-Rack-and-Pinion-for-Sand-Rails-Buggys-Go-Kart-Mini-Rail-Trophy-Kart-/301277323654?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item4625872186&vxp=mtr)

My front end is basically a shredder mid section with yfz450 arm assemblies. I bought that 8.5" rack, drilled and tapped the ends for larger 1/2"heims cause that particular rack has 1/4" heims. Check my thread, there are some recent pics of the rack.

wschilawski
09-11-2014, 06:22 PM
Anyone ever use Desert Kart shocks? The price scares me but I've seen a lot of rigs with them and they seem to be doing fine - what's the catch?

16' Coilover Go Kart Shocks Pair (http://www.desertkarts.com/item80964.ctlg)

Jerm
09-11-2014, 07:28 PM
I think Lugs used those and said they didn't even hold up the front end on his shredder. I've got some snowmobile air shocks I'm trying out, they feel right stiff even at 40psi. I've only got the front end done tho, so when its on 4 wheels I'll know better.

wschilawski
09-11-2014, 07:52 PM
Lugs' coils looked similar, didn't know that's what he used.

darwinpayne2000
09-11-2014, 07:55 PM
I have the shocks listed on Desert Karts, although I purchased them through another source. Greg at Desert Karts is highly unreliable these days.

They work fine on my single seater. If you squint at the picture to the left, you can make them out on the front end. However, I don't think they would be stiff enough for a two-seater. They're too light-weight, in my opinion, to use for anything but a light single-seater buggy.

I bought them back before I found this forum and built my front-end around them. They actually work okay, but they start leaking after a few years. When they wore out, I had intentions on replacing them with more a more durable shock, but then I was confronted with "sticker shock". Yikes!! :(

What are the best shocks to buy? The ones you can afford, I guess. I chickened out and just bought another set identical to my old shocks. My rationale was that I would use them "for now", especially since they're so cheap and that I would buy a nice pair when I could afford it. I'm still waiting for that day. :rolleyes:

Lug-Nuts
09-11-2014, 08:40 PM
u can always get heavier springs for those shocks through speedway motors pretty cheap too!

wschilawski
09-11-2014, 09:05 PM
Maybe I should be looking into some sled air shocks? Why do these hobbies have to be so expensive!?

darwinpayne2000
09-11-2014, 10:19 PM
My wife collected the 50-state quarters as they came out, mostly by digging around in her change. It took her 10+ years to collect them all, but it only cost about $20, including the binder for holding the quarters.

I started on my minibuggy hobby around the same time and it has only cost me . . .
Well, let's not discuss that right now. :D

Duane
09-12-2014, 03:05 AM
Digging change out of my wife's purse is a major source of my funding!

wschilawski
09-12-2014, 01:37 PM
FOA looks like they have some nice shocks to use - looking at the Reservoir Shocks 2.5

Lug-Nuts
09-13-2014, 07:50 PM
Thats what I am running on the front of my buggy. I like em they are great. You need about 125# spring, I had 100#'s on mine and had to crank it down a couple inches. The adjustment was fine I just wanted some heavier springs. I did like the ride of the 100's

Lug-Nuts
09-13-2014, 07:51 PM
My current springs are from speedway motors garage sale got 150# springs for 50 bucks

Lug-Nuts
09-13-2014, 07:51 PM
oh and I run 150psi nitrogen in em.

Lug-Nuts
09-13-2014, 07:53 PM
I dont remember the valving. If you talk to FOA about your buggy they can recommend valving they did a good job on mine.

wschilawski
09-15-2014, 10:43 AM
Progress is progress - did some work on the side supports and took some nice pictures with the GoPro of the workshop.

Currently going back and forth on some Fox Float2 shocks for up front - should know by tonight if I'll be doing shock mounts this weekend.

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/f3e1d4ece11a8a71d56d16bcce6b5cf5_zpsf2e7855e.jpg

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/CB0C7C18-6499-4B41-B7AC-9B8CD0BC5B76_zpsrzhkk5nj.jpg

wschilawski
09-15-2014, 10:46 PM
Invested in some Float2 shocks off an Arctic Cat - bids got a little crazy but still paid less than I would for one of the more expensive ones. Curious to see if it's too heavy up front or if the shocks will suffice. Hoping they arrive by the weekend so I can't work on mounts.
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/17a9d97caf6e04aaf5298a9a8199ab50_zpsf43fd782.jpg

Jerm
09-16-2014, 09:00 AM
Man those look great! Interesting to see how they work, what length did you end up getting? I have the same shocks I plan to use on the rear of mine. For the fronts I basically have the same style, just not fox brand.
I found that those sled air shocks don't need much air in them to be stiff.

wschilawski
09-16-2014, 10:17 AM
Extended length came out to 18-5/8 - should do the trick!:D

wschilawski
09-16-2014, 08:05 PM
They have approximately 6" of travel - I'll play around with them and see how they work out.

I need to start working on the rear now - looking for a setup I can run - probably similar to Lugs but figuring out how to make the rear shaft/components...

Lug-Nuts
09-16-2014, 09:10 PM
The trailing arm mounts are a weak point. Make sure you fill the area with some tube or something so the mounts can be fully welded. You need more than a tack on the front and rear of the mounts. Here's a pic. I also replied on my thread to you question. Hope this answers it.

http://i935.photobucket.com/albums/ad200/lug-nuts/IMAG0238-Optimized_zps5d0ca9c2.jpg

wschilawski
09-17-2014, 07:42 PM
Works for me! Thanks man!

Still trying to get some info on the shipment on shocks - maybe I'm just being impatient...

Also bought some misalignment spacers so those should be coming sometime early next week.

Lug-Nuts
09-18-2014, 10:20 AM
Ya I know what u mean. Waiting can be killer sometimes

wschilawski
09-22-2014, 10:31 AM
Should be seeing my shocks tomorrow - looking like I'll be working on mounts a little earlier than expected.

wschilawski
09-23-2014, 08:05 PM
shocks have arrived!
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/81005BF9-257F-4E34-9663-DDDA8D3F8EB6_zpsnwsrtmsf.jpg

MrBracket
09-25-2014, 01:52 PM
What is the item below the shocks in the picture?? Is it a pump?

Jerm
09-25-2014, 02:26 PM
Yes its a pump, I have the same ones. It takes alot of pumping with that pump tho, so far in my shop I've used a bicycle pump, works quicker.

wschilawski
09-25-2014, 03:51 PM
Yes, what he said ^ !

Jerm
09-25-2014, 11:07 PM
Did you mount those yet? They are fairly stiff, i will be mounting them on the back of my buggy soon. Ill post pics when i get them on.

wschilawski
09-25-2014, 11:21 PM
Did you mount those yet? They are fairly stiff, i will be mounting them on the back of my buggy soon. Ill post pics when i get them on.

I haven't yet - I was going to start mounts this weekend. Maybe I should save them for the rear?

What shocks do you have up front? What are those from?

Jerm
09-26-2014, 12:30 AM
I have similar shocks up front, they are made by teamfast, called air assault. Same as the foxes, but they have a bit of a bag on them, they are also fairly stiff, but im not sitting on all four wheels yet so its hard to tell. Maybe try running those foxes on all four corners?

wschilawski
09-26-2014, 10:24 AM
I've done some research and, like you said, once the buggy is sitting fully with a cab of passengers the Floats react nicely. I've seen a few guys run them on their quads and they're very responsive.

I got these shocks at a GREAT price - deals like this don't come around very often.

wschilawski
09-26-2014, 03:52 PM
Martin, I couldn't resist!

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/74EC3456-DC8B-41B8-910D-1C6FB0703A43_zpspogg9see.jpg

wschilawski
10-01-2014, 05:00 PM
Lower shock mounts start tonight - having a little trouble with my limited travel - should have gone with some larger balljoints with misalignment spacers but I will work with what I have.

wschilawski
10-02-2014, 10:24 AM
lower shock mounts are complete - uppers to be completed tomorrow

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/7DC4C94E-BD72-4EFF-909E-80F4731AEAF6_zpsujpvlsux.jpg

Lug-Nuts
10-02-2014, 01:30 PM
I have that same winch, it works great. When you need it your glad you have it.

wschilawski
10-03-2014, 06:45 PM
Few shock mounts this afternoon:
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/52EFD812-1968-4D0A-8575-875D37967B41_zpskaqanmtl.jpg
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/BB4390B7-1C94-47E6-B60A-D4F8ED47ABFA_zpsuali0yq3.jpg
The only question I have is that will I be ok with the mounts in different locations (reference the opposite ends of the schock - should those be running parallel or will I be ok?

Jerm
10-03-2014, 07:31 PM
Looking good man. Could the arms go a bit lower before mounting the shock though? that would give you more ground clearance. It would also keep the shock a bit lower, reducing the height of those upper shocks mounts.

wschilawski
10-03-2014, 07:46 PM
The thing that is limiting my "down-travel" is my heim joints at the hub/spindle. I wish I would have gone with a larger heim with more of a misalignment spacer.

Jerm
10-03-2014, 10:24 PM
I see it now in the pics. do you still have the a-arms from those spindles? I originally planned to do exactly what you did (custom arms with ATV spindles), but in the end I just bolted up the ATV a-arm assemblies I had. I have 12" ground clearance up front, and I think around 9-10" travel.

wschilawski
10-03-2014, 11:30 PM
I don't have the original a-arms - may look into redesigning what I have but I think for now, they should work.

Or I could drop the $200 for a complete set...

Inailit
10-04-2014, 01:58 AM
Looking good. What did you use to cut the shock mount brackets to shape? Did you have these plasma/laser cut They look really good.

wschilawski
10-04-2014, 02:37 AM
That would be my handy work with the 4-1/2" angle grinder and a lot of patience. Thanks!

Jerm
10-10-2014, 07:31 PM
Looks good man, have you got that thing to sit on its own up front yet?

wschilawski
10-10-2014, 09:02 PM
Not yet - I'll be working on finishing the a-arm mounts and finish welding the shock mounts. If all goes to plan, should be able to fill up the shocks and get it standing out it's own.

wschilawski
10-13-2014, 10:35 AM
Sitting on front shocks at 50psi along with some serious camber

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/67932F1E-1FB3-4533-A9B4-68A2A6284278_zpsmtdsvxw8.jpg

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/257A1768-850F-4C37-827D-59CA72C5462E_zpsfbewaxah.jpg

Lug-Nuts
10-13-2014, 11:11 AM
Looking good, your getting closer[smilie=thumbs_up.g:

Inailit
10-13-2014, 12:03 PM
looks great! What size tires are you using?

wschilawski
10-13-2014, 12:36 PM
looks great! What size tires are you using?

They're 26x8's up front and 26x10's in the rear off of a Sportsman

Coreyawilson
10-13-2014, 12:44 PM
Hi, new to the forum. I have been following your build on here as well as instagram and have decided i want to build one as well... but before i purchase the plans i was wondering what gauge steel you're using, so I can purchase a welder on a budget that is capable to start my project. I was looking at the Hobart handler 140 but I found a cheaper 125 amp mig on amazon.

Sorry for temporarily taking over your thread...

Great work so far! I look forward to seeing the finished product!

Corey

wschilawski
10-14-2014, 01:29 PM
Hi, new to the forum. I have been following your build on here as well as instagram and have decided i want to build one as well... but before i purchase the plans i was wondering what gauge steel you're using, so I can purchase a welder on a budget that is capable to start my project. I was looking at the Hobart handler 140 but I found a cheaper 125 amp mig on amazon.

Sorry for temporarily taking over your thread...

Great work so far! I look forward to seeing the finished product!

Corey

Thanks and no problem! In all honesty, and maybe a few more experienced welders on this forum may chime in, but it's worth going to the 140. Sometimes you can almost get the same price for a 140 compared to the 125 (keyword-sometimes). I went to the local Fleet Farm, opened a credit card, and got 20% off my first purchase, a nice Hobart Handler 140 [smilie=non_banana2:

wschilawski
10-20-2014, 08:42 PM
Ordered up some CV's from Advance Auto, received 15% off along with a $25 gift card to use for the hub assemblies.

Looking for suggestions on materials for the rear end - few pillow block bearings, custom flanges to fit the CV's, sprocket and brake information. [smilie=shocker.gif]

Texan77
10-22-2014, 02:00 PM
What's seats are you using and where did you get them?

wschilawski
10-22-2014, 05:09 PM
What's seats are you using and where did you get them?

Those would be Jegs 70200 Pro High Back Race Seats shown here:

JEGS Performance Products 70200 JEGS Pro High Back Race Seats and Seat Covers - Free Shipping on All Orders @ JEGS (http://www.jegs.com/i/JEGS/555/70200/10002/-1?CAWELAID=1710701746&CAGPSPN=pla&catargetid=230006180000848930&cadevice=c&gclid=CNPgkbr5wMECFQoEaQodpocAyw)

wschilawski
10-23-2014, 07:51 PM
CV's came in today
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/E76D9218-1AE4-468B-9188-0F139988FD54_zps4gr4ze2x.jpg

Happycamper
10-24-2014, 01:26 PM
I appreciate the updates on the shredder. I am planning to build one also and love to follow the progress and ideas. Thanks!

One question... why do people switch to cv joints instead of the way the plans are. What is the disadvantage to the method in the plans? Thanks!

Texan77
10-24-2014, 02:51 PM
Thanks for the info. Do you mind me asking what seat mounts you used? And did you make the drivers seat a slider?

wschilawski
10-24-2014, 03:43 PM
Thanks for the info. Do you mind me asking what seat mounts you used? And did you make the drivers seat a slider?

No problem - I just used angle and drilled out the pattern for the mounting locations. Later on, I may make them sliders but for now, they're as far back as they will go and stationary. The Shredder II is a tight squeeze, but like everyone recommends, build it 6"+ wider.

wschilawski
10-27-2014, 11:26 AM
Got a lot of progress done this weekend - rear end is all tacked together and front shock mounts are close to completion.

Has anyone ever used the Surplus Center for keyed shafts? The prices are fairly reasonable for various sizes. Looking at the 1-3/8" shaft for the rear - is that a standard size for sprockets? I haven't done the research yet but it's worth asking inquiring here.

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/B7C044C6-E93E-4958-B7E4-FD2B4A512708_zps1r2dcrt0.jpg

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/3AC4BC6E-FE9E-4E44-8062-0CBFF771A9BF_zps0gyvbahh.jpg

darwinpayne2000
10-27-2014, 03:12 PM
Here's a partial answer to HappyCamper regarding the Shredder II rear drive setup.

The dual chain setup is designed to be cheap and easy to build. The disadvantage is that chains have a tendency to come off the sprocket, especially in mud, and require periodic alignment and adjustment. The CV axle setup is more expensive and requires more thought concerning the layout, etc, but tends to require less maintenance.

Also, the Shredder uses #40 chain. That's fine if you're using an engine with 30 horsepower or less, but the chains won't hold up with more powerful engines. You could use #50 or #520 chain, but then the cost goes up and CV axles look more attractive.

I hope this explanation helps.

Maybe someone who chose CV axles over the dual-chain setup wants to chime in?

Texan77
10-28-2014, 08:04 PM
Are the a arms on backwards?

Lug-Nuts
10-28-2014, 10:11 PM
Huh, they do look like there on backwards. Thinking about it that would give probably give you more turning radius because the tires would be forward a bit more.

Nice catch

wschilawski
10-29-2014, 12:20 AM
Are the a arms on backwards?


Huh, they do look like there on backwards. Thinking about it that would give probably give you more turning radius because the tires would be forward a bit more.

Nice catch

Yes they are backwards according to the plans, but as Lugs noted, they offer more clearance from the frame when turning. Collverg did the same thing - he was working with tie rod clearance as well.

Texan77
10-29-2014, 12:51 AM
Nice! Do you mind telling me the part number for the cv axles? I'm thinking of doing the same.

wschilawski
10-29-2014, 10:50 AM
Nice! Do you mind telling me the part number for the cv axles? I'm thinking of doing the same.

Most of these ideas are coming from various builds - Lugs mentioned '86 S10 CV's.

Check out Advance Auto online, they're always running deals on a certain percentage off and then a gift card later that month.

ToughOne New CV Axle Shaft Assembly NCV10035: Shop the best Drive Shaft/Axle at Advance Auto Parts (http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/toughone-new-cv-axle-shaft-assembly-ncv10035/15870011-P?searchTerm=cv+axle)

I bought from Advance; I believe Lugs went to eBay for rebuilt? Either way, seems like they will do well with abuse this buggy will take.


I appreciate the updates on the shredder. I am planning to build one also and love to follow the progress and ideas. Thanks!

One question... why do people switch to cv joints instead of the way the plans are. What is the disadvantage to the method in the plans? Thanks!

One reason I went with the CV style was that it is a very easy, simple system/design. Parts would be readily available if something did go wrong. Check out Martin's build - he did a really nice job with a system similar to what the Shredder plans call out; I'm not as advanced as he is in the fabrication world otherwise I would have done something similar [smilie=non_banana2:

Hope this helps!

Happycamper
10-29-2014, 11:41 AM
Thanks guys!

Inailit
10-30-2014, 06:34 PM
In what way does mounting the A-arms backward affect the steering? Does this create clearance issues between the shocks and the steering rods connecting the spindle to the rack and pinion?

collverj
11-01-2014, 03:28 AM
Hey wschilawski, answer to a previous question I bought my shaft, sprockets and chain from surplus center they all seam to be doing good so far. Also i did not realize that my a-arms were backwards but they seem to do fine with the steering for me.

Lug-Nuts
11-02-2014, 01:14 PM
Most of these ideas are coming from various builds - Lugs mentioned '86 S10 CV's.

Check out Advance Auto online, they're always running deals on a certain percentage off and then a gift card later that month.

ToughOne New CV Axle Shaft Assembly NCV10035: Shop the best Drive Shaft/Axle at Advance Auto Parts (http://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/toughone-new-cv-axle-shaft-assembly-ncv10035/15870011-P?searchTerm=cv+axle)

I bought from Advance; I believe Lugs went to eBay for rebuilt? Either way, seems like they will do well with abuse this buggy will take.

One reason I went with the CV style was that it is a very easy, simple system/design. Parts would be readily available if something did go wrong. Check out Martin's build - he did a really nice job with a system similar to what the Shredder plans call out; I'm not as advanced as he is in the fabrication world otherwise I would have done something similar [smilie=non_banana2:

Hope this helps!

Yep, i ruined one of my cv's all I had to do was go down to autozone and pick up a new one for about 50 bucks. I made my live axle wider to keep my cv from popping out at full extension and viola no more problems. I run 99 gsxr750 through mine and all is well 2 years later.

wschilawski
11-03-2014, 10:19 AM
Once I get my steering in place I'll make that final call on A-Arm placement so we can all rest easy [smilie=ecstatic.gi:

Didn't get much done this weekend - will start working on the rear trailing arms hopefully soon. Just getting a list of components together to order. [smilie=non_banana2:[smilie=non_banana2:

Texan77
11-10-2014, 02:51 PM
Do you know what hubs you will be using on the rear?

wschilawski
11-11-2014, 11:37 AM
Do you know what hubs you will be using on the rear?

S10 hubs to match the CV's - then an adapter to match the Sportsman lug pattern.

wschilawski
11-14-2014, 05:23 PM
Ordered rear shaft, pillow block bearings, and some weld on sprocket hubs from Surplus Center...

Inlaws will be visiting over Thanksgiving which will give me another reason to get in the garage [smilie=shocker.gif]

Lug-Nuts
11-15-2014, 04:53 PM
KEWL :cool:

wschilawski
11-20-2014, 11:34 PM
Looking for options on sprocket ratios - front sprockets I can get run between 13T-18T, rear tires are 26x10-14's. I'm looking to be mid-range, not planning on pushing the thing to it's limit, but you never know.

Any suggestions? [smilie=shocker.gif]

K-fab
11-21-2014, 01:35 AM
The bigger the better for the chain.

Lug-Nuts
11-21-2014, 10:50 AM
I run 13t & 70t

collverj
11-22-2014, 01:34 AM
I am running 12 up front and 60 in the rear but I also am using the chain case with my snowmobile which gives me 10-1 ratio. I have no idea what the ratio of the gears on yur bike trans are.

Lug-Nuts
11-22-2014, 12:47 PM
Here's a link for a nice gearing chart

Gearing Commander: Motorcycle Speed, RPM, Chain & Sprockets Calculator (http://www.gearingcommander.com/)

wschilawski
11-24-2014, 01:13 PM
Looks like my max speed would be 85 with a 13/65:

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/OverallSpeedperGear_RPM_zpsf6f6a694.jpg

Primary Drive Ratio comes in at 1.985:
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/FinalGearRatio_zps3f61ac24.jpg

Lug-Nuts
11-24-2014, 01:43 PM
Yep sounds about right, my gearing 13t 70t top speed is around 75.

85mph is gonna be haulin a$$ in this little buggy.

Lug-Nuts
11-24-2014, 01:44 PM
What kind of HP & tq #'s are you looking at?

wschilawski
11-24-2014, 04:13 PM
What kind of HP & tq #'s are you looking at?

Looking at a 55/40

wschilawski
12-02-2014, 03:25 PM
Having a local shop make some CV adapter/spacers - will work on the rear once complete. I'm 90% sure I'll be going with a 65T rear sprocket...

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/FB3C0984-D865-4BCB-88A0-51176A6E8681_zpsqokylk1f.jpg

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/E9D13B99-0989-444E-9632-8072570F170E_zpszukuutgf.jpg

Lug-Nuts
12-02-2014, 10:11 PM
That looks GOOD

wschilawski
12-18-2014, 08:39 PM
Had some spacers/adapters made:
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/BE1DB735-D1A9-483F-9630-A7E1CA46B6EF_zpsnqvsakum.jpg
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/550708FB-0110-40DE-BF4D-55D4E4BD6126_zpsdzmr51z3.jpg

Lug-Nuts
12-18-2014, 09:24 PM
Nice, so how do the flanges attach? Keyed, weld on, bolt on?

What does it cost to have someone make those, they look good.

wschilawski
12-18-2014, 09:37 PM
Nice, so how do the flanges attach? Keyed, weld on, bolt on?

What does it cost to have someone make those, they look good.

They're weld on - 75 for the pair - used one of our vendors from work

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/1D0773EB-9BD6-4725-AD12-2C5DD07C7588_zpssumfcx3w.jpg

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/CDE09816-023B-4E19-9208-C7A8637554C8_zpspcw6xuar.jpg

Lug-Nuts
12-18-2014, 09:52 PM
Man, I like those!!!

Texan77
12-19-2014, 05:03 AM
Dang those are nice! Make mine look second rate lol. How much longer did you extend the frame? I built mine to spec and I'm having trouble getting everything to fit. Most likely gonna have to modify the frame.

wschilawski
12-19-2014, 10:16 AM
Miller Manufacturing Inc in New Holstein made then - I wish I would have drawn the center hole 1/8" smaller because there is some play. I'll just have to be careful when welding to the adapter to make sure it's centered.

I want to say I extended it 2-3' but I'll have to confirm later.

I may have to widen the rear end 2-3" for sprocket clearance but that will have to wait until I get a rear sprocket.

Lug-Nuts
12-21-2014, 01:21 AM
I lengthened in the rear by a FOOT
:D

wschilawski
12-22-2014, 10:22 AM
maybe it was just a foot...[smilie=jumping.gif]

thenxtEMIG
02-10-2015, 02:16 PM
Man you guys are killing me. This thread just ends. Its like a good movie that just stops half way through.

I'm starting panther build and i've been following Lugs's thread and this because they are simple designs that don't cost big $$$, and I love to see your simple shop tools int he background. Give me hope. I'm planning on following a similar front and rear set up and i'm curious how yours ended up.

I was looking at surplus center for my shaft as well but others have noted concerns about it not being hardened steel. I was planning on using a splined shaft just for a bit more peace of mind. Thoughts? Anyone had any issues with this? I'm putting a similar GSXR 750 on mine.

wschilawski
02-10-2015, 02:50 PM
Man you guys are killing me. This thread just ends. Its like a good movie that just stops half way through.

I'm starting panther build and i've been following Lugs's thread and this because they are simple designs that don't cost big $$$, and I love to see your simple shop tools int he background. Give me hope. I'm planning on following a similar front and rear set up and i'm curious how yours ended up.

I was looking at surplus center for my shaft as well but others have noted concerns about it not being hardened steel. I was planning on using a splined shaft just for a bit more peace of mind. Thoughts? Anyone had any issues with this? I'm putting a similar GSXR 750 on mine.

The way my buggy is sitting right now is up against the wall on my assembly table unfortunately. I made the purchase of an '08 Jeep JKU so my buggy budget has become the Jeep budget - those 35's aren't going to pay for themselves! [smilie=tr_rip.gif]

I think there has been plenty of people that have used that setup - someone may chime in that can help answer your questions.

thenxtEMIG
02-10-2015, 03:45 PM
Sounds like you are putting it on the back burner for the right reason, so that's nice to hear. Curious if you ended up welding your keyed hubs to the axle (where you have your CV adapter plate) or are just running on the keyway? I was nervous about using a keyway and all that torque from the motor ripping it apart. That why i was planning on using a spline shaft instead.

CARLRIDDLE
02-10-2015, 04:30 PM
Pickup a center drive from Protodie.

I built a Desertkart center drive, 1" keyway. With 06 r6 I welded the cups to the center axle. Never had a proble, but bearings were welded inside. Did put a grease fitting in center so I could pump a little lube inside occasionally.

thenxtEMIG
02-10-2015, 05:21 PM
I've been looking at that, but just can't swing the $$$. This is my first buggy, so I want to do it on the cheap and learn from my mistakes. Maybe on the 2nd one.

I'm debating between the setup in this thread vs that on the DK plans, but i'm trying to stay away from as much custom fab as I can since i dont' have an end mill or lathe available.

wschilawski
03-31-2015, 01:17 AM
http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/693A9470-CEBF-4C71-A5ED-F2D57C907721_zps9e8ubixm.jpg

Rear 65T sprocket came today - will be working with the machine shop in having another adapter made to mount this bad boy!

Lug-Nuts
05-04-2015, 08:40 PM
I used a keyed axle, but welded the flanges to it. So far so good. Been on the buggy for 3 years now. No problems. I always inspect everything after I get it cleaned up to put it away.

wschilawski
05-11-2015, 09:55 PM
Progress!! I had a sprocket adapter made up - now it's time to start working on the rear trailing arms. Trying to split the Jeep and Buggy budget up but then there's the wedding next month that could use some attention too... :rolleyes:

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/A65B98AF-22C7-497A-8E6D-69C5491589FB_zpsjsn1iuef.jpg

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/B1BC5FB0-733C-4B1C-B5A3-EE8ABB8EBC29_zpsuufevoir.jpg

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/32494892-13CF-47B4-9CD9-AA5A6FEF7628_zps6hgt5c2x.jpg

Lug-Nuts
05-12-2015, 03:02 AM
I like it!!!

wschilawski
05-12-2015, 12:08 PM
I feel special now that I'm a "Senior Member"

Rat4020
05-12-2015, 01:27 PM
I feel special now that I'm a "Senior Member"


Yep your a Special ED ... right along with the rest of us MBN junkyz:D

wschilawski
05-12-2015, 05:38 PM
I'll be working on grinding some welds down and redoing them this week. Breaking out the die grinder...[smilie=banghead.gi:

Xbird
05-14-2015, 08:27 PM
I'll be working on grinding some welds down and redoing them this week. Breaking out the die grinder...[smilie=banghead.gi:

i only use the die grinder in "special" applications, hate getting those shards in my socks and gloves ... I picked up a cut-off wheel mandrel that i can put in my die grinder or drill with 3" cut off discs, in the drill it's really nice for cutting welds at tube junctions when i don't want to lose any tubing length or notching. angle grinder with a fine grit disc for post clean-up. Sears/craftsman of all places has a $12.00 angle grinder "adapter" that lets you use fibre air compressor tool grinder style discs which are a lot cheaper to buy than flapper wheels.

One thing i wanted to toss out when i first saw your bearing setup--- think about going with vertical axle hangar 3-bolt plates and bearings-- a lot lighter and you don't have the issue of trying to lock the pillow blocks in place and having washers crush down into the bolt holes.

Pillow blocks are cheap and somewhat easy to set-up, but they are problematic when it comes to staying in place on a horizontal setup.

Calibuggy
05-15-2015, 01:33 PM
Very cool! How much did the sprocket adapter cost you to have machined if you don't mind me asking?
x2 on the vertical bearings.

wschilawski
05-15-2015, 01:54 PM
I will look into a future redesign with the vertical bearings, thank you for the suggestions. That may be parts of "Phase II" along with an A-Arm redesign. Still going to stick with the trailing arm design until I figure out how it handles. The end is not near so I have some time...

The sprocket adapter was $130, and the CV adapters were $75 for the pair.

Calibuggy
05-15-2015, 09:56 PM
I like trailing arms personally as much as a-arms.

Thanks for that info.

wschilawski
05-22-2015, 04:43 PM
I like trailing arms personally as much as a-arms.

Thanks for that info.

No problem!

wschilawski
05-27-2015, 10:23 AM
There has been so little progress so I decided I would quick mount the motor and check for clearance issues with the sprocket.

I'm definitely going to need a decent tensioner...

But for now, more powwweerrrrr!! [smilie=giddy.gif]

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/5738DD6D-2FF5-48D6-B5C3-7ECEEAC494A1_zpsb9wenrwz.jpg

Lug-Nuts
05-28-2015, 11:16 PM
Looks CLEAN, nice work!

wschilawski
05-29-2015, 01:49 PM
Did some modification to the rear end last night - made a little more room for a rack/tank/fan/etc.

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/F0427129-0883-4E69-8C17-FF195ADBC7BF_zps1nthp6no.jpg

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/74E6D9C2-488B-4183-9E4F-0C5B6850CDE9_zpsqmy3otyj.jpg

wschilawski
05-29-2015, 09:59 PM
Took some time after work to get the frame on the floor and see how this will sit...I'm liking the results.

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/476A4B80-D754-4AFE-B0D9-61D737B03E29_zps0wcfcuzw.jpg

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/83D2B672-74CA-4E63-9F1C-F014E9B30C6A_zpsab8e1wuj.jpg

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/7629501E-2BAC-4ECB-9C27-769B141AAE9D_zpsr1p5ltut.jpg

Jerm
05-30-2015, 12:10 AM
Man that thing is looking great! Looks a bit longer than the regular shredder. You will love those fox float shocks, I finally took mine for a rip yesterday and I really liked how they handled. Looks like maybe you could lower the shocks down a bit and maybe get some more ground clearance? Those shock towers look high, maybe its just me.

wschilawski
05-30-2015, 12:28 AM
Man that thing is looking great! Looks a bit longer than the regular shredder. You will love those fox float shocks, I finally took mine for a rip yesterday and I really liked how they handled. Looks like maybe you could lower the shocks down a bit and maybe get some more ground clearance? Those shock towers look high, maybe its just me.

My A-arms are limiting my travel due to my heims. Phase II will probably include swapping for the banshee arms and shock mount adjustment. I'm kind of digging the low stance but more clearance is needed for sure.

Xbird
05-31-2015, 01:08 PM
Looks good.
Cage/frame suggestion;
If you go with 4-point harnesses, the connection point for the over-the-shoulder's should be right at about shoulder height, not down low. A cross bar across the back would be ideal, it would also give you a tie-in point to run a tube from the front of the door opening up on an angle to your rear cage upright. Yes, it makes it harder to climb in, but makes it safer.

wschilawski
05-31-2015, 10:57 PM
Looks good.
Cage/frame suggestion;
If you go with 4-point harnesses, the connection point for the over-the-shoulder's should be right at about shoulder height, not down low. A cross bar across the back would be ideal, it would also give you a tie-in point to run a tube from the front of the door opening up on an angle to your rear cage upright. Yes, it makes it harder to climb in, but makes it safer.

Thank you for the suggestion - the buggy is far from being complete structure-wise, I was just getting anxious to get it on the ground and see how the stance was. I'll definitely keep into consideration your suggestion about bracing though.

Thanks!

wschilawski
12-29-2015, 01:17 PM
Wow - sure has been a while since I've been on here! Jeep has continued to get all my attention throughout summer and fall.

I'm back into shopping around for rear shocks so I can finally start making the control arms. Winter finally hit Wisconsin last night with a good 13+ inches of snow. I'm ready to make some progress on this pig and get it to a rolling chassis!

I've been debating on ditching the front a-arms from the Shredder plans and going with ATV control arms for more articulation up front. Otherwise, like I stated before, continue with the back and do a few revisions up front as needed.

Lug-Nuts
01-14-2016, 10:15 AM
Any new progress?

wschilawski
02-24-2016, 12:15 PM
Any new progress?

Oh shoot! Sorry Lugs! I guess I didn't realize you asked about the build.

I've been shopping around for some rear shocks but that's about it. Winter definitely puts a damper on things when the garage isn't heated. Once spring comes around (which hopefully will be soon) I'll be going over all my welds, making sure they're clean along with reviewing any possible clearance issues I may come across. I should have been working on the motor this winter but I'm remodeling our basement so that's been taking up most of my time.

Jrgunn5150
03-31-2016, 11:51 PM
I really enjoyed reading through your build, don't give up!

Just curious, what are you doing for a clutch?

wschilawski
04-01-2016, 12:14 PM
I really enjoyed reading through your build, don't give up!

Just curious, what are you doing for a clutch?

LOL - don't give up! You're almost there! I was walking past a neighbors house and saw a pretty wicked buggy he was building. He's a machinist so he's got everything he needs!

Well I was looking at two options. One was a foot clutch. The other would be on the shifter which I think is what I'm going to do. Just would take some practice on getting clean shifts :)

Jrgunn5150
04-01-2016, 08:16 PM
Ah I see, I was wondering if you had the CB750A or something. A shifter clutch would probably be simpler to work with.

wschilawski
04-19-2016, 04:16 PM
Alright guys, I've got buggy fever! This warm weather has me itching to work in the garage.

Next up is rear trailing arms and most of all, finding the right set of rear shocks. Any suggestions?? Ranger? RZR (which will be pricey)? Air Fox shocks like I have up front? I'll be searching around today on eBay to see what people have out there for a decent price.

Let me know your thoughts!

K-fab
04-19-2016, 06:15 PM
You may as well get more Airs - heck, you already have them on the front.

wschilawski
04-19-2016, 07:51 PM
I did find a set of rear shocks off a Polaris Ranger for a decent price...I'll watch it a bit until I can do a little more research.

MASCMAN
04-20-2016, 02:36 AM
I didn't even realize the trailing arms weren't there! Lol

wschilawski
04-20-2016, 11:12 AM
I'm very very sneaky [smilie=glare.gif]

wschilawski
04-21-2016, 07:42 PM
So I was messing around with additional cross-bracing today; still needs a lot of work.

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/buggy3_zpsevpqfmo8.jpg (http://s1162.photobucket.com/user/wschilawski/media/buggy3_zpsevpqfmo8.jpg.html)

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/buggy2_zpsokuwx98l.jpg (http://s1162.photobucket.com/user/wschilawski/media/buggy2_zpsokuwx98l.jpg.html)

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/buggy1_zpsyzik25fo.jpg (http://s1162.photobucket.com/user/wschilawski/media/buggy1_zpsyzik25fo.jpg.html)

wschilawski
04-22-2016, 01:47 PM
These were dropped off today:

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/C7D2115C-71B7-440D-A453-C4BCEC5B66DA_zpsl0gx1ozp.jpg (http://s1162.photobucket.com/user/wschilawski/media/C7D2115C-71B7-440D-A453-C4BCEC5B66DA_zpsl0gx1ozp.jpg.html)

Lug-Nuts
04-25-2016, 10:58 AM
Its like Christmas!

wschilawski
05-10-2016, 11:40 AM
I'll be throwing some sparks tonight on the buggy, finally will have a little free time tonight to do some bracing. Also will be looking into adapters for the Polaris wheels to mount to the S10 hub.

Jerm
05-10-2016, 03:30 PM
Could you just re-drill the S10 hubs to the 4x156 bolt pattern instead? Is the hub face large enough?

Jrgunn5150
05-10-2016, 08:55 PM
Could you just re-drill the S10 hubs to the 4x156 bolt pattern instead? Is the hub face large enough?


MASCMAN did that on his.

MASCMAN
05-11-2016, 11:40 AM
I was going to post a link to a site that had printable bolt pattern templates but that site is not running anymore.

You can pop those studs out pretty easily and then drill new holes and push the studs back in. My pattern is slightly off because I should have welded in one of the holes on the hub to put the stud in the right place, but instead, I hogged out the hole in the rim.

wschilawski
06-07-2016, 11:46 PM
Found some yfz450 front a-arms so I should be fitting those next week (hopefully). I'll have to reposition all my mounting tabs but this will give me more articulation up front.

wschilawski
06-09-2016, 12:04 PM
Here's the sellers photo for the A-Arms - nothing a wire cup brush can't clean up. I'll get a nice coat of paint as well:

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/62960670-0C1C-480B-BC5E-02F762D2D203_zpsa4hshhag.jpeg (http://s1162.photobucket.com/user/wschilawski/media/62960670-0C1C-480B-BC5E-02F762D2D203_zpsa4hshhag.jpeg.html)

I also came across this image - I believe someone else had done the same thing and measured everything out quite nicely - not sure what forum or thread it was on though. This is some great information and will help getting the front end all buttoned up.

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/6E61CFD6-9424-4E64-A6AC-53E295F40212_zpsbwzft96i.jpg (http://s1162.photobucket.com/user/wschilawski/media/6E61CFD6-9424-4E64-A6AC-53E295F40212_zpsbwzft96i.jpg.html)

Jerm
06-09-2016, 10:09 PM
Looking good, it was me who posted the thread to that pic, I did not take that pic or those measurements, but I used that pic for my build, and it worked great!

wschilawski
06-10-2016, 12:16 AM
Oh that's right! It was on the yzf forums I believe - some great information that will make fabricating mounts easier.

wschilawski
06-13-2016, 07:26 PM
Well, the price of the adapters for 5x4.75 to 4x156 went up $50 since I last checked in 2014. I should have bought them when I had the chance!

wschilawski
06-14-2016, 12:39 AM
Could you just re-drill the S10 hubs to the 4x156 bolt pattern instead? Is the hub face large enough?

The hub face isn't large enough to fit the 4x156 pattern unfortunately...

MASCMAN
06-14-2016, 05:15 AM
What I did once was used flat plate to make an adapter. ..drilled both patterns in it. I used the stock lugs to bolt to buggy and regular bolts on the rim.

wschilawski
06-14-2016, 11:04 AM
It looked like your bolt pattern for your wheels is smaller than what I have with the 4x156 - is that correct?

MASCMAN
06-14-2016, 11:18 AM
Yes...4x115.

But the other one I did went from 4x4 to 4x156.

wschilawski
06-14-2016, 11:47 AM
In theory, this is the bolt pattern adapter I would need - have to think this one through a bit.

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/bolt%20pattern_zpsqvccxfde.jpg (http://s1162.photobucket.com/user/wschilawski/media/bolt%20pattern_zpsqvccxfde.jpg.html)

wschilawski
06-16-2016, 12:02 PM
Ordered adapters from AdapterKings - 5x4.75 (70.5mm hub bore) to 4x156 with 10mm x 1.25" studs.

My A-arms should arrive today - garage time this weekend. Hoping to make a few modifications to the front end for more travel along with cleaning up some welds. Stay tuned for photos!

MASCMAN
06-16-2016, 03:16 PM
Wondering why you think you need more travel in the front?

I'm pretty sure that it already has more travel in the front as opposed to the rear once everything is in place.

wschilawski
06-16-2016, 06:39 PM
Wondering why you think you need more travel in the front?

I'm pretty sure that it already has more travel in the front as opposed to the rear once everything is in place.

My front was extremely limited in travel due to the way I made the arms and the heims I used.

MASCMAN
06-17-2016, 09:35 PM
Ok...I used high misalignment heims and I have more movement than my shocks can use.

By using those Yamaha parts will make fitting up hubs and brakes easier.

wschilawski
06-20-2016, 11:25 AM
That was my goal and then I took a different approach with the stock a-arms.

Removed the old front end and started stretching it to fit the new a-arms this weekend. Made new lower tabs, will finish the uppers tonight. Should be able to tack everything together early this week.

Jerm
06-21-2016, 12:48 AM
when you make the tabs, assemble your wheels onto the arm assembly and set them at the height you figure it'll ride at. I had to make longer tabs for the top of the mounts, I didn't follow that pic you posted 100%, you will see what I mean when you go to mount them up. If you follow exactly the measurements on that pic your wheels will be cambered in. Mine were anyway, just don't weld it all up heavy duty till you throw the tires and rims on there.

wschilawski
06-21-2016, 11:54 AM
when you make the tabs, assemble your wheels onto the arm assembly and set them at the height you figure it'll ride at. I had to make longer tabs for the top of the mounts, I didn't follow that pic you posted 100%, you will see what I mean when you go to mount them up. If you follow exactly the measurements on that pic your wheels will be cambered in. Mine were anyway, just don't weld it all up heavy duty till you throw the tires and rims on there.

I will be adjusting the tabs once I get my shock mounts squared away and sitting on the ground. I cycled the a-arms with the hubs on last night and they didn't look too bad actually. Must have been my (lack of) precision when making the tabs.

Anywho, here's the progress from last night:

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/58A2DB4E-557F-463B-8E0E-836F72A080A9_zpsvschar4i.jpg (http://s1162.photobucket.com/user/wschilawski/media/58A2DB4E-557F-463B-8E0E-836F72A080A9_zpsvschar4i.jpg.html)

wschilawski
06-22-2016, 12:15 AM
Progress from tonight - working on the front end so I can redo my shock mounts. This new design allows for my winch to be placed along with a steering rack that still has to be purchased. A lot more room which is helpful.

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/5B0F7F7C-6CBB-4AA7-B764-6E4915ACA5F0_zpsz9moa8xl.jpg (http://s1162.photobucket.com/user/wschilawski/media/5B0F7F7C-6CBB-4AA7-B764-6E4915ACA5F0_zpsz9moa8xl.jpg.html)

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/D62AEDDF-0BEB-48E4-B43D-4E594D6D1F1B_zpspcpu0nkj.jpg (http://s1162.photobucket.com/user/wschilawski/media/D62AEDDF-0BEB-48E4-B43D-4E594D6D1F1B_zpspcpu0nkj.jpg.html)

wschilawski
06-23-2016, 11:16 AM
Got some more work done on the front end. I would expect by the end of Saturday it should be sitting on the ground; keyword: should. My adapters should be here today so I can start working on the rear end as well. Now it's time to start looking into steering systems.

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/AA58DE3B-210F-4598-88F3-6E7DB7E4334D_zps8ofzy3tk.jpg (http://s1162.photobucket.com/user/wschilawski/media/AA58DE3B-210F-4598-88F3-6E7DB7E4334D_zps8ofzy3tk.jpg.html)

MASCMAN
06-24-2016, 09:50 AM
Here is a pic of mine with the high misalignment heims:
http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h377/mascman/ODDY%20project/20160130_090226_zpss6xcs581.jpg (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/mascman/media/ODDY%20project/20160130_090226_zpss6xcs581.jpg.html)

I suspect that I will still have more travel than I can use with everything bolted in place...one day I may find out! LOL
http://i1106.photobucket.com/albums/h377/mascman/ODDY%20project/20160410_170349_zpsry5dbcbz.jpg (http://s1106.photobucket.com/user/mascman/media/ODDY%20project/20160410_170349_zpsry5dbcbz.jpg.html)

wschilawski
06-24-2016, 11:35 AM
I had just been using a standard heim joint without the spacers - my wife's 2-dr coupe had more flex than the buggy had! I'm happy with the new a-arms so far, but will know more when it's on the ground under its own weight.

These bad boys showed up last night from Adapter Kings - two piece adapter:

http://i1162.photobucket.com/albums/q526/wschilawski/B21D776B-6B1C-42A0-B2BE-7446F21808EB_zpse5nsesss.jpg (http://s1162.photobucket.com/user/wschilawski/media/B21D776B-6B1C-42A0-B2BE-7446F21808EB_zpse5nsesss.jpg.html)

wschilawski
06-24-2016, 07:24 PM
Any suggestions on steering racks? I believe someone noted one on this thread but cannot find it.

MASCMAN
06-25-2016, 05:56 AM
I got one off Ebay. It is the $100ish ones.

Jerm
06-25-2016, 11:52 AM
I used this one, but I removed the small heims, drilled and tapped larger holes in the ends and used larger heims. Then I made a clevis for double shear on each side.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/11-Rack-Pinion-for-Sand-Rail-Dune-Buggy-Vw-Baja-Go-Kart-Mini-/291330348981?hash=item43d4a457b5:g:NrkAAOxyjxlTKhh q&vxp=mtr