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pride_in_motion
08-21-2010, 10:33 PM
Calling all moto powered buggy racers and builders. Formula Desert Lites is officially making a push to bring an exciting and cost effective form of desert racing back to the deserts of Southern California. Formula Desert Lites is not a standalone race series or promoter, but a group with the goal of getting these cars and UTVís involved with any promoter that has the foresight to include them. Unlike other groups promoting one specific class or type of racer, Formula Desert Lites is promoting several classes of racer. Of course the popular UTV class in its standard form as seen in BITD races is included, but also a STOCK class UTV to bring in those who have yet to get a taste of desert competition. We will have classes for all of the older desert lites and pilot type vehicles as well as classes for the high revving Formula Desert buggies powered by sport bike power plants pumping out in excess of 170hp. These vehicles offer more performance and excitement for the dollar invested than other desert classes. Formula Desert Lites will be in charge of policing its own classes for rules violations through our own tech inspection. In this new environment that our sport is facing due to recent tragic events we will be asking that those involved who want to keep our sport operating the way we know it, provide volunteers from your team to help out with road crossing and course sweep activities. In exchange for the help you give, additional points will be given to you towards the year end points championship, even if you were not able to compete in the event just help out and get points. Formula Desert Lites will be aggressively seeking sponsorships to provide contingency and points championship prize money. This series will be a stepping stone for the future stars of motorsports, both Casey Mears and Jimmie Johnson started out in stadium lites and Scott Steinberger started his racing career in a Mini-Mag, the big cousin of the Honda Pilot or Odyssey. If you are worried about competing in a smaller vehicle on the course with much larger, faster vehicles, we are seeking to run either our own course or later/earlier in the day than the fastest classes. We are in talks with a promoter and will make an official announcement soon in regards to running two races this season. So if you want to join in on what promises to be one of the most fun series in the desert in a long time, pull that dusty old racer out of the garage or get to work on that unfinished project and come join us.

pride_in_motion
08-21-2010, 10:44 PM
Here is a set of provisional rules they are a little older, I need to update them. I want input on them I am open to any suggestions. I am going to do my best to maiintain the stock fuel tank rule in the stock utv classes to encourage growth in this series.


ALL CLASS RULES

These regulations apply to all Formula Desert Lites (hereafter referred to as FDL) classes unless otherwise noted in supplementary regulations. FDL’s intent when mandating specifications for safety equipment for vehicles that will compete under FDL rules is to provide adequate protection to all entrants and spectators.

ACR 1: DRIVERS ATTIRE

SUIT

REQUIRED
1. A manufactured ONE PIECE DRIVING SUIT of fire resistant material that covers the entire body (excluding the head, hands and feet).
2. Suit must have SFI label.

RECOMMENDED
1. Two (2) Layer suit.
2. Nomex undergarment.
3. With single Layer suit wear Nomex undergarment.
4. Leather or fire resistant boots and driving gloves.

NOT ALLOWED
1. Suits with holes, tears, rips, old or worn.
2. Oily greasy suits.
3. Missing manufacturers or SFI label.

HELMET

REQUIRED
1. A Snell Memorial Foundation SA2000, SA2005, M2000 or M2005 approved helmet is required.
2. D rings only on straps.
3. Snell label attached.
4. Legible Snell sticker.

NOT ALLOWED
1. DOT only helmets
2. Snaps on straps.

RECOMMENDED
1. Name, blood type, allergies and pertinent medical information painted on helmet.

EYE PROTECTION

REQUIRED
1. Drivers and co-driver in all vehicles must have eye protection (goggles shields).

NOT ALLOWED
1. Vehicular movement without eye protection.

ACR 2: EMERGENCY SUPPLIES

FIRST AID
REQUIRED
1. A waterproof first aid kit must be on board vehicle at all times. Approved first aid kits will have 9 individual weather proof containers to hold the following items.

(1) 1 – 4 inch bandage compress
(2) 2 – 2 inch bandage compress
(3) 1 – Triangle bandage
(4) 8 – 2 x 3 inch adhesive bandages
(5) 16 – 1 x 3.375 inch adhesive bandages
(6) 10 – Prep pad packets
(7) 1 – Eye dressing packet
(8) 10 Ammonia packets (If available for purchase at time of inspection)
(9) 1 – Ace bandage

FOOD AND WATER

REQUIRED
1. At least one days worth of food and water must be on board vehicle.

SIGNALING DEVICES

REQUIRED
1. Two free standing reflective triangles.
2. Two large glow sticks.
3. One orange flag to be used in the event of being stuck in the course.

RECOMMENDED
1. A battery powered flashing light.

ACR 3: FIRE EXTINGUISHER
REQUIRED
1. Minimum 2.5 pounds “A-B-C” rated hand held fire extinguisher with a gauge.

RECOMMENDED
1. On board fire extinguishing system.

ACR 4: DIP STICK
REQUIRED
1. Where applicable, engine and transmission oil dip stick must be secured into tube by some means.

ACR 5: SHOCK ABSORBERS
REQUIRED
1. All vehicles must start racing with at least one working shock absorber on each wheel.

NOT ALLOWED
1. Active type suspension.


ACR 6: WHEELS AND TIRES
REQUIRED
1. Tight lug nuts secured with at least one full thread showing through the nut.
2. As of the time of the writing of these rules maximum tire size is 30” od.

NOT ALLOWED
1. Wheels with cracks.
2. Worn or damaged lug holes.
3. Closed in lug nuts.

ACR 7: SUSPENSION SYSTEMS, CHASSIS AND RUNNING GEAR
REQUIRED
1. All systems must be secured with lock washers, lock nuts, safety wired or cotter keyed.
2. All bolts secured with a nut must have at least one full thread showing through nut.

NOT ALLOWED
1. Worn or loose parts such as spindles, axle nuts, pivot points, ball joints etc.
2. Active suspension.

ACR 8: STEERING
REQUIRED
1. Safe steering systems with end play at a minimum.
2. All parts wired, keyed or with lock washers.
3. The wheel mounting flange must be welded into the shaft if it is not a stock production shaft.

NOT ALLOWED
1. Any steering system not considered safe by the technical inspector.

ACR 9: BRAKES
REQUIRED
1. Functional brakes on all four corners.
2. Brakes must be able to lock up all four corners.

ALLOWED
1. Turning or steering brakes.

ACR 10: IGNITION SWITCH
REQUIRED
1. A switch enabling the system to be turned on or off within the reach of the driver and plainly marked, IGNITION ON / OFF.

ACR 11: BATTERY
REQUIRED
1. One capable of starting the motor and operating all necessary lighting.
2. Securely mounted with metal tie downs.
3. Batteries mounted in the driver’s compartment must be covered with a case sufficient to hold the entire acid content of the battery in the event of a rollover.

ACR 12: LGHTS
REQUIRED
1. Two taillights
2. Two brake lights.
3. One rearward facing Amber light.

RECOMMENDED
1. Two rearward facing AMBER lights, one flashing, one steady.
2. One rearward facing BLUE light.
3. A minimum of two forward facing driving lights.

ACR 13: STARTER
REQUIRED
1. A starter capable of turning and starting the motor.

ACR 14: FUEL
ALLOWED
1. Service station pump gas.
2. Racing gasoline.
3. Commercial aviation gas.
4. Diesel fuel.

NOT ALLOWED
1. Alcohol, nitrous oxide (NOS) or nitro methane.

ACR 15: FUEL CELL
REQUIRED
1. Stock fuel tanks must be removed.
2. Safety type fuel cell must be used.
3. Safety fuel cells shall consist of a bladder enclosed in a smooth skinned container.
3. Cell container must be made of minimum 20ga. Steel, 0.060-inch aluminum or 0.125 inch marlex.
4. Container must be securely mounted to vehicle with bolts or steel straps.
5. Internal baffling is mandatory in all fuel cells.
6. Bladder construction shall be of nylon or Dacron woven fabric impregnated and coated with a fuel resistant elastomer. Rotary molded cells are acceptable.
7. The physical properties minimum standards are in accordance with the following table.

Test Type - Minimum Standard
Test Specification

Tensile Strength - 450 lbs.
Spec CCC-T-1916 Method 5102

Tear Strength - 50 lbs.
Spec CC-T-1916 Method 5134

Puncture Test - 175 lbs.
Spec MIL-T-6396 Article 4.5.17

These physical properties must be maintained throughout all areas of the finished bladder including seams, joints and fittings.

ACR 16: FUEL FILLING SYSTEM
REQUIRED
1. Positive locking cap
2. Design must be of such that there is no loss of fuel in the event of a roll over.
3. A check valve to prevent fuel from leaking if the cap and filler neck are pulled from the cell. The check valve is not required if the filler is located on or within 2 inches of the cell membrane.
4. Fuel filler must be in a location so as not to be disturbed in forward motion or in adverse motion such as an endo or rollover.
5. When filling with fuel it must be directed away from the engine exhaust system and driver of the vehicle by a splash system of any design that accomplishes the purpose.
6. A flexible coupling to the cell must be provided for all fillers attached to the body or frame of the vehicle.

NOT ALLOWED
1. Monza or flip type caps.
2. Vents in the drivers compartment.
3. Glass filters

ACR 17: THROTTLES
REQUIRED
1. Each vehicle must have a hand or foot throttle incorporating positive return springs.
2. A positive stop or over-ride prevention system must be used to keep linkage from passing over center and sticking in an open position.

ACR 18: TRANSMISSION

NOT ALLOWED
1. Automotive type automatic transmissions.
2. Automotive type manual transmissions.

ACR 19: EXHAUST
REQUIRED
1. Forestry approved spark arrestors or approved mufflers.
2. Exhaust system design must be in such a way as to exit to the rear of the occupants, fuel cells and tires.

ACR 20: OIL COOLERS
REQUIRED
1. Installation designed so as to prevent the oil from the cooler or its lines from blowing on the driver or co driver in the event of a failure.

ALLOWED
1. Cooling fans.

ACR 21: ELECTRICAL SYSTEMS AND COOLING SYSTEMS
REQUIRED
1. Complete functioning charging system (type open).
2. Complete functioning cooling system (fans open).

ACR 22: ROLL CAGES
REQUIRED
1. Material must be of crew, dom, whr, wcr mild carbon steel or 4130 chromoly. 4130 chromoly is highly recommended for all rollcage construction.
2. Stress relieve all welded intersections by flame annealing.
3. All welds must be of high quality and craftsmanship with good penetration and with no undercutting of parent material.

ROLLCAGE DESIGN
All roll cages must be designed and constructed with one front vertical hoop, one rear vertical hoop, two interconnecting top bars, two rear down braces, one diagonal brace and gussets. The two top interconnecting bars must be placed as far to the outside of the top part of the front and rear hoops as possible. Rear down braces and diagonal brace must have a minimum angle of 30 degrees from vertical. Opened-wheeled vehicles built only wide enough for a single seat are excluded from having the diagonal brace (although the diagonal brace is highly recommended for the single seat vehicles). At the bottom of the diagonal brace there must be a cross member of the same tubing material and dimensions as the hoop. All roll cage components (hoops, braces, gussets, etc.) must have a minimum of 3-inch clearance from the component to the vehicle occupant’s helmets when occupants are seated in their normal riding/driving positions. All portions of the roll bar or bracing that might come into contact with the vehicle occupant’s helmets must be padded.

Cages must be securely mounted to the frame or body. All intersecting points must be gusseted and braced. Cab or body mounted roll cages must be bolted through the body structure and be attached by use of a minimum two 0.1875-inch thick doubler plates (one on each side of body structure). Bolts and nuts must be at least 0.375-inch-diameter s.a.e. Grade 8 or equivalent aircraft quality. Welding of cab or body mounted roll cages to body structure is strictly prohibited. Roll cage terminal ends must be attached to a frame or body member that will support maximum impact and not shear or allow more than 1.5 inches of movement in the cage terminal end.
All vehicles must have at least one side bar on each side of vehicle that will protect occupants from side impact. The side bars must be of the same tubing material and dimensions as the rest of the roll cage. The side bars must be as close to parallel to the ground as possible, be located to provide maximum protection to the occupants, and be securely welded to the front and rear hoops. The location of the sidebars must not cause difficulty in entering or exiting the vehicle.
Gussets constructed of 0.125-inch x 3-inch x 3-inch flat-plate or split, formed and welded corner-tubing, or tubing-gussets made of the same material and thickness as the roll cage may be used. Gussets must be installed at all major intersections, including diagonal and rear down braces, where single weld fractures can affect occupants’ safety.

MINIMUM MATERIAL

Weight Tube Size
Under 1,000 lbs 1 ľ” x 0,83”
Under 2,000 lbs 1 Ĺ” x 0.90”

Race vehicles with a stock roll cage as manufactured (such as the Honda FL350) will be reviewed on a case by case basis. If allowed the cage must in as new condition, NO EXCEPTIONS.

ACR 23: SAFETY HARNESS
REQUIRED
1. Heavy duty five point harness for driver and co-driver/co-rider.
2. Metal to metal connections and fast release buckles.
3. Two 3” shoulder straps and a 3” lap belt plus a minimum of one 2” anti submarine lap belt.
4. Manufacturers name and date of manufacture on a label.
5. Harness material of nylon or Dacron.
6. Clean belts in like new condition and must be replaced after three years of the manufactured date.
7. Adjustment buckles must be at least 1 Ĺ” from the seat to prevent chafing or loosening.

RECOMMENDED
1. Seat belt replacement every year.
2. Sternum straps on shoulder harness.

NOT ALLOWED
1. Y type belts
2. Push button type release.
3. Dirty, stained, frayed or cut belts.
4. Outdated belts.
5. Surplus harnesses.

ATTACHMENTS

REQUIRED
1. Crotch straps as close to the front of the seat as possible so upward movement of the belt is kept to a minimum.
2. Shoulder Harness behind the driver co-driver/co-rider approximately 4” below the top of the shoulders.
3. Lap belts 2 Ĺ” ahead of where the seat and back rest meet.
4. All mountings must be directly to a structural member.
5. Mounting material must be hardened steel bolts at least 5/16” in diameter.
6. Belt hardware must be safety tied or cotter pinned.

ACR 24: SAFETY NETS
REQUIRED
1. Formula Desert Lites approved safety nets are mandatory on all vehicles and must cover the complete open area of the cockpit on both sides of the vehicle.
2. Nets must be installed on the inside of the roll cage to prevent them from being damaged or coming off in the event of a roll over or slide on the side.
3. Nets attached to doorframes are permitted as long as door has a positive secondary latching device.
4. Nets must be installed so that the occupants can release the netting unassisted and exit the vehicle regardless of the position of the vehicle.
5. Net installation must meet with the approval of the chief technical inspector.
6. The net border or edge and the net attachment must be made of materials that are as strong or stronger than the net itself.
7. Net attachments must be every 6 inches. Acceptable attachments are not limited to the following: hose clamps, snaps, heavy-duty nylon ties, lift-a-dot, metal hooks and steel rods. Steel rods are acceptable methods of bottom fastening.
8. The roof must be covered with sheet metal or aluminum.

ACR 25: SEATS
REQUIRED
1. All seats must be securely fastened to a structural member so as to allow no movement up and down, for and aft or side to side.
2. Seat must be manufactured to take the intended abuse of racing.
3. A minimum of four (4) points are to be used in fastening any seat.

NOT ALLOWED
1. Stock type seats, folding seats or racing seats with separate backs.
2. Seats mounted to body or floor.

HEAD AND NECK RESTRAINTS

REQUIRED
1. The seat behind the head and neck area should be padded (at least 2” thick over an approximate 36” square area) with a material of sufficient quality to prevent whiplash.

ALLOWED
1. Head and neck bracket subject to approval of the technical inspector.

ACR 26: DRIVERS COMPARTMENT
REQUIRED
1. The vehicle occupants must be able to enter and exit, unassisted and with great ease, the driving compartment with the vehicle in any position
2. Firewalls and/or bulkheads must separate drivers compartment from any fuel, engine fluids or acids.

ACR 27: DOORS AND LATCHES
REQUIRED
1. All vehicles with operational doors must have positive locking mechanisms and must have a permanently attached positive secondary latching device.

ACR 28: ROOFS
REQUIRED
1. The roof must be covered by sheet metal or aluminum.
2. Must be a minimum of .060” in thickness.

ACR 29: FIRE WALL
REQUIRED
1. An all metal fire wall must separate the driver’s compartment from the engine and any fuel sources.
2. This wall must be fuel tight and extend from shoulder height to the floor and sides of the body.
3. The fire wall must extend at least 1” higher than the top of the fuel cell.

ACR 30: WEIGHT
1. Race ready weight, less driver, but with 20 gallons of gas or a full tank whichever is less.

ACR 31: FLOORBOARDS
REQUIRED
1. Belly pans or floorboards must cover the complete driver’s compartment.
2. If the floor is not part of the body or chassis at least five (5) ľ” bolts per side must be used to fasten it to the structural parts of the vehicle.

ACR 32: BUMPERS
REQUIRED
1. Rear bumper secured to frame constructed of 1 Ĺ” x 0.90” minimum DOM or stronger tubing.
2. Safe front bumper.
3. Ends must be capped and rounded to prevent any sharp edges.

ACR 33: MIRRORS
REQUIRED AND MUST BE FUNCTIONAL

ACR 34: SKID PLATES
REQUIRED
1. Skid plates designed to reasonably protect the front suspension, steering and brake components are recommended on all vehicles. Skid plate must be made of metal and be securely attached.

ACR 35: EQUIPMENT, TOOLS, PARTS etc.
REQUIRED
1. Anything on or in a vehicle must be fastened securely enough so that they will remain attached during competition,

ACR 36: BODY PANELS-DOORS, HOODS & FENDERS
REQUIRED
1. Some type of body panels should be used for driver protection. They should be installed in a manner so as not to interfere with entering or exiting the vehicle.
2. Panels must be installed in a manner so as to remain in place during competition.

ALLOWED
1. Quick release or dzus fasteners.
2. If a UTV type vehicle is used, stock hood, fenders and some type of door panel may be used.

ACR 37: HOSES
REQUIRED
1. Acceptable condition of hoses.
2. Hoses securely clamped and or safety wired.
3. Acceptable protection for any hose passing through the driver’s compartment to protect the driver in case of hose failure.

ACR 38: NUMBERS

ACR 39: ADVERTISING
REQUIRED
1. Good appearance and in good taste.
2. Not to interfere with identification numbers.

ACR 40: RADIOS
RECOMMENDED
1. A working radio able to transmit and receive.
NOT ALLOWED
1. Any race or support vehicle radio equipment is strictly prohibited from interfering with or disrupting race communications on all frequencies allotted to the amateur radio band, public service band, marine band and aircraft band as permitted by FCC rules.

ACR 41: WORKMANSHIP
REQUIRED
1. Good professional appearance.
2. Approval of the technical inspector.

ACR 42: SECONDARY SUSPENSION
ALLOWED
Secondary suspension includes leaf springs, torsion bars, coil-over shocks, air bags, haga balls or any other item, other than shock absorbers and the stock concept suspension system that came with the vehicle, that changes the wheel rate at any point in its travel.
Air shocks will be considered secondary suspension when charged to 200 psi in their fully extended state and the static pressure exceeds 300 psi when fully compressed.
Movable bump stops will be considered secondary suspension when they contact the suspension unit more than 4 inches before the end of the wheels upwards travel.

ACR 43: WHEELBASE
Wheelbase is measured from the center of the hub on the front axle to the center of the rear hub at ride height. If a difference is noted from one side to the other, an average will be used.

ACR 44: TRACK
Track will be considered the distance from the outside of the tires at the furthest points as viewed from the front of the vehicle. Maximum outside track will be measured by passing between the official FDL track device during tech.

NOT ALLOWED
1. Changing of wheels and tires after tech inspection so as to affect track width.




CLASS RULES



FORMULA MOTO
A single or two seat four wheeled vehicle being powered by an engine originating from a production Motorcycle/Snowmobile/ATV/UTV type vehicle (All engines will be reviewed and approved by Formula Desert Lites). The intent of this class is to provide a place for vehicles who do not fit into an existing class structure an opportunity to compete. Drivers will have the opportunity to vote on the legality or fairness of any vehicle that is placed into Formula Moto.
This is an open class and all components will be considered open unless stated in the class rules.


ACR’s
Vehicles shall comply with all ACR’s unless stated in the class rules





FORMULA 1200

A single or two seat four wheeled vehicle being powered by an engine originating from a production Motorcycle/Snowmobile/ATV/UTV type vehicle (All engines will be reviewed and approved by Formula Desert Lites). 1200cc four stroke maximum displacement. 800cc two stroke maximum displacement.
This is an open class and all components will be considered open unless stated in the class rules.

ACR’s
Vehicles shall comply with all ACR’s unless stated in the class rules

WHEEL BASE
See ACR 39
100” maximum

TRACK WIDTH
See ACR 40
86” maximum


FORMULA 800

A single or two seat four wheeled vehicle being powered by an engine originating from a production Motorcycle/Snowmobile/ATV/UTV type vehicle (All engines will be reviewed and approved by Formula Desert Lites). 800cc four stroke maximum displacement. 500cc two stroke maximum displacement.
This is an open class and all components will be considered open unless stated in the class rules.

ACR’s
Vehicles shall comply with all ACR’s unless stated in the class rules

WHEEL BASE
See ACR 39
95” maximum

TRACK WIDTH
See ACR 40
80” maximum



FORMULA LITE

A single or two seat four wheeled vehicle being powered by an engine originating from a production Motorcycle/Snowmobile/ATV/UTV type vehicle (All engines will be reviewed and approved by Formula Desert Lites). 600cc four stroke maximum displacement. 440cc two stroke maximum displacement. (The 750 weber as found in the redline revolt is allowed, must maintain stock displacement.) FDL retains the right to impose various restrictions to certain power plants if they show a major advantage over another.


This is an open class and all components will be considered open unless stated in the class rules.

ACR’s
Vehicles shall comply with all ACR’s unless stated in the class rules

WHEEL BASE
See ACR 39
95” maximum

TRACK WIDTH
See ACR 40
80” maximum

STOCK UTV

Vehicles marketed as a Utility Terrain Vehicle (UTV). FDL at its discretion may segregate makes into sub categories of the stock class, such as STOCK RHINO, STOCK POLARIS RANGER, or alternately an engine size based segregation.
This is a STOCK PRODUCTION category; the vehicle must remain stock except where specific authorization is given in the following class specific rules.


ACR’s
Vehicles shall comply with all ACR’s unless stated in the class rules


SCR1: OCCUPANTS
All entrant vehicles must have a driver and a co-driver in the vehicle for the duration of the race.

SCR2: SUSPENSION
Front and rear suspension components must be stock as delivered from the manufacturer. All suspension mounting points must be in stock location. Strengthening of stock mounting points is allowed.

SCR3: SHOCK ABSORBERS
Front and rear shock absorbers must be stock as delivered on the vehicle and mounted in stock location. Number of shocks must be stock as delivered from the factory. Springs are open as long as they are in stock location and retain stock concept.

SCR4: BUMP STOPS
Original bump stops, or equivalent. No Hydraulic Bump stops.

SCR5: TIRES
Maximum tire size is 30 inches outside diameter.

SCR6: STEERING
All steering components must be stock as delivered from the manufacturer and is safe working order. EXCEPTION…Steering wheel may be of any manufacturer. Quick release hubs may be installed.

SCR7: DRIVE TRAIN
Front and rear differentials and drive axles must be stock and fully functioning.

SCR8: TRANSMISSION
Transmission case and internals must be stock as delivered from the manufacturer. Functioning reverse gear is mandatory.

SCR9: CLUTCHES
Drive pulley must be stock with all stock components. Spring tensions may not be altered. Pulley faces may not be modified. Arms may not be lightened. Driven pulley

SCR9: CLUTCHES: cont.

must be stock. Spring may be wound to owner’s preference. Belt must be stock size and shape.

SCR 10: BRAKES
Brakes and all associated parts must be stock as delivered from the manufacturer. Brake pads may be of any manufacturer as long as stock concept and mounting methods are retained. No steering brakes allowed.

SCR 11: FRAME
Frame must be stock as delivered from the manufacturer. No modifications allowed other than strengthening and repair. No modification in design or dimensions allowed.

SCR 12: ROLL CAGES:
Roll cage may be stock or built to series specifications as laid out in ACR22 We may mandate other exceptions to this rule as the need arises. All vehicles must have at least one side bar on each side for protection in the event of a side impact. The side bars must be a minimum of 1.5” X 0.90” tubing. The side bars should be mounted as close to parallel to the ground as possible and be located to provide maximum protection for the occupants as possible. The bars shall be securely welded to the front and rear hoops. The location of the side bars must not cause difficulty in entering or exiting the vehicle.

SCR 13: LEG GUARDS
Each vehicle will need to have leg guards installed at a minimum. Door panels are an acceptable alternative as long as doors do not have the ability to be open and closed.

SCR 14: SAFETY NETS
Approved safety nets are required on all vehicles. Nets shall be mounted in accordance with ACR 24. EXCEPTION… Approved arm restraints instead of nets.

SCR 15: SAFETY HARNESS
ACR 23

SCR 16: BATTERIES
Batteries must be securely mounted with metal-to-metal tie downs. All flooded cell batteries must be fully enclosed including the sides and bottom. Enclosure must be able to contain the quantity of acid contained in the battery if inverted. Batteries may not be located in the driver’s compartment. Batteries will be considered as being in the driver’s compartment if there is no firewall between the battery occupants of the vehicle.

SCR 17: LIGHTS
All vehicles must have a minimum of two taillights, two brake lights and two rear facing amber lights; one flashing, one steady.

SCR 18: IGNITION
Must be stock as delivered from the UTV manufacturer.

SCR 19: ENGINE
1. Engine case, crankshaft, rod and main bearings must remain stock as delivered from manufacturer. Engine must be mounted in stock location.

2. Cylinder/Cylinders must be stock. Routine maintenance overbore allowed to factory specifications.

3. Piston/Pistons must be stock. No lightening or skirt modification.

4. Cylinder head and gasket must be stock. Compression must not exceed factory spec.

5. Ignition system must remain stock as delivered from factory.

6. Carburetors or fuel injection system must be stock and use all stock components including manifold

SCR 20: COOLING
Stock cooling systems must be maintained. Auxiliary fans may be added but original radiator must be maintained. No secondary coolers allowed.

SCR 21: EXHAUST
Exhaust system must be stock as delivered from manufacturer. Any pipe that has been cut or re-welded, or seems louder than stock may be deemed illegal and disqualified.

SCR 22: AIR FILTER
Air filter housing must be stock, in stock location. Any filter may be used in stock location.

SCR23 FUEL TANK
Fuel tank, and fuel pump must be stock and in stock location. Stock venting must be changed to a vent tube that follows the 3 sides and down routing system. The end of the fuel tank vent tube must to routed away from the exhaust. Fuel filter is open.

EXCEPTION: if fuel tank is modified it must be in accordance with ACR15

SCR 24: SEATS
Seats may be stock but it is highly recommended that a purpose built racing seat be installed.

SCR 25: FLOORBOARDS
Stock floorboards may be replaced with heavier duty metal or aluminum.

SCR 26: BODY
Stock body components in original position and mounting methods mandatory. Supplemental mounting devices may be added.

SCR 27: WHEELBASE
Must remain stock.

SCR28: TRACK WIDTH
Must remain stock plus or minus two inches.

SCR 29: WHEELS
Any manufacturer wheel may be used. Maximum outside diameter 14”. Wheel must bolt onto factory stock hub without the aid of adapters, no drilling of hub permitted.

SCR 30: SECONDARY SUSPENSION
Not allowed.

SCR 31: BUMPERS
Stock bumpers shall be retained. Additional nerf bars may be installed.

SUPERSTOCK UTV

The rules for SUPERSTOCK UTV shall be the same as STOCK UTV with the following exceptions.

SSCR1: SUSPENSION
Any suspension kit that is readily available to the general public is allowed as long as it does not require modification to the stock frame, and utilizes the stock mounting locations.

FDL retains the right to disallow any suspension kit or individual part that is found to break the spirit of the rule.

SSCR2: SHOCKS
Any direct bolt on replacement shock, available to the general public that is marketed for use on a UTV.

MODIFIED UTV

This class is intended for highly modified purpose built racing UTV’s based on stock production frame and engine combinations. Maximum displacement at the time of the writing of these rules is 1000cc. Only vehicles marketed as a UTV in the United States of America will be allowed to compete. A detailed list of eligible UTV’s can be obtained by contacting FDL directly.
This is an open production class and all components will be considered open unless stated in these class rules.

ACR’s
Vehicles shall comply with all ACR’s unless stated in the class rules

MCR1: SUSPENSION
All a-arm mounting points must remain the stock design, and remain in the stock location as delivered from the manufacturer, they may be reinforced for strength.

MCR2: TRACK WIDTH
Maximum track width is 74”

MCR3: WHEELBASE
Maximum wheelbase is 8” over stock as measured from spindle to spindle.

MCR4: SHOCK ABSORBERS
One shock absorber per wheel maximum. Mounting locations may be modified or moved.

MCR5: BUMP STOPS
Solid bump stops only.

MCR6: SPRINGS
The only springing system allowed is a coilover shock.

MCR7: ENGINE
Mod class UTV engines must use stock engine block and head castings. All internal modifications are open. No turbos allowed unless on diesel engines.

MCR8: CHASSIS
Stock chassis is required. Chassis must match body, engine combination. Frame may be strengthened by adding material but basic shape and design must be maintained as well as stock dimensions.

MCR9: TRANSMISSION
Stock transmission and clutch design must be used. Stock rear differential must be used.


FORMULA UTV

This class is intended for highly modified purpose built racing UTV’s based on current production vehicles marketed as a UTV in the United States.
This is an open class and all components will be considered open unless stated in the class rules.

ACR’s
Vehicles shall comply with all ACR’s unless stated in the class rules

F1CR1: TRACK WIDTH
76” Maximum

F1CR2: WHEELBASE
8” over the stock wheelbase of UTV that the vehicle is based on.

F1CR3: CHASSIS
The frame shall be either be a stock, modified stock frame or custom built tube chassis. All chassis must retain the stock inner pivot points as that of an existing UTV marketed in the United States.

F1CR4: ENGINE
1000cc max displacement. Must be a four stroke motorcycle engine. Must match body of UTV being used as basis for the vehicle i.e. YAMAHA RHINO BODY with YAMAHA R1 engine and so on.

F1CR5: BODY
Body must be based on an existing UTV marketed in the United States. Flares and vent holes allowed however must retain similar profile as stock body. Body is defined as Hood and Bedsides. FDL retains the right to deem certain bodies as not allowable if they do not meet the spirit of the rule. Body must be in place throughout the duration of the event except for cases of accidental damage.

TutTech
08-22-2010, 09:14 AM
Looks great!

Why your working on the rules I had a couple inputs.

Most events have both a Long event and a Short event. On both events you need water but on long events you need water, food, lights, flashlights, glow sticks, etc. Short events you usually don't. Maybe group those things into long or short?

In the Score rule book that most organizations go by under brakes state simpley that they must have enough stopping power to "lock up" all four tires. Does not say you have to run brakes at all four corners of your car. For example those of us with center carriers are only using a single brake. They are strong enough to lock up both back tires. So I know most of the minis are all built like this.


All those rear lights is going to put some serious drain on our small staters..
Most organizations just require 2 tail, 2 brakes, 1 amber and smaller/slower cars 1 blue.
You have another flashing amber? If we race in our own group and our own class why the extra flashing light and the extra blue light? Would or could that be used only when the promotor calls for it?
For example this is a run in our own class or with motorcycles etc. only no big cars so the extra amber and blue are not needed.
Or for racing this organization then an extra flashing and blue are needed? Think it could be an as needed bases?


And last but not least wheel base. You go from 1200cc at 100" wheel base to 800cc and drop clear down to 83? Should it not be like 90 or just under 100 anyways?
Just asking because im curious where the such short wheel base comes in for desert racing and with 800cc? I would think for desert racing you would want the most you can but still stay a mini so under 100" seems more then fair. If not 90.
I am building a car for that size and roughly class but my wheel base is 90-92. I went as long as I could as this is desert racing. There is no way I can shrink 10 inches at this point. But can not go buy a 1200cc engine either. The width drops by a lot also.. not sure but you go from 86 to 74.. wide.. I think I can make that... but in all fairness it seems like 86 to 76 is fair.. :confused:

I think maybe you should have another class for 500cc's or less and that class should have the rules you just posted and move the 800cc class up into the middle of those. Just my thoughts and input.

Also you may want to include a spec class then for say Revolts? So they can all run together and be factory or sponsor backed like Desert Lites are. Then the buggies can be in their classes and open to build for desert racing.


Anyways just some questions.
Thanks.
:)


Anyways the rules look good just some questions.
But other wise well written and off to a great start good luck.
:)

pride_in_motion
08-22-2010, 01:55 PM
Now you can see why I posted these as a work in progress. This is a group for the racers to develop this into the best possible group of classes for moto powered vehicles. Me and XMOTORCR have been back and forth on the split between the 1200 and 800 in fact we had a 600 class that was aimed at the old desert lites (74" wheelbase 72" track), I cut it out and kind of split the differance on wheel base between the 800 and 600 class so as not to have so many classes at first. We plan on a spec class in the near future but that will only happen with factory involvement.

I think I might just go back to laying it out like this

F1200 100" WB 86" TRACK
F800 95" WB 80" TRACK
FLITE 83" WB 74" TRACK 600cc 4stroke 440cc two stroke (stock 750 weber allowed)

I will work on the light rules to loosen them up for events where we are not sharing a course with full size class 1 cars.

As far as the emergency supplies I will make a note about not needed for short course. The food and water thing I wish I had one time on a 20 mile loop in ara when I got off course and broke down...summer sun in barstow sucks! and an energy bar might have been good too lol

I think rules should be done with a board type situation where one man does not control all decisions. I nominate TUT to be on that board along with Jerry aka XMOTO

TutTech
08-23-2010, 07:52 AM
I think for the kind of cars that are currently being built.. IE mostly home built not so much spec at the moment the new rules you just posted for classes and wheel base really seem like the way to go.
It's not like the old days when everyone was mostly using Pilots and just modifieng them. Now everyone.. almost... is trying to build their own buggy just like the pros and wants to race what they built. I think that is great. So that is why I think the new rules are good as well. Nice, those have my vote so far.

As for water I think that is a must don't get me wrong we always have our camel packs and then a small bag in the center of the car with some water bottles and power bars, beef jerky etc. as sometimes you brake down and help is a little ways to getting to you if your in a bad spot or just far out. I agree to water always.. should'nt go without.. also you can use it in a pinch to refill a rediator and reload when you get back to pits. ;) but don't tell anyone I said that. :D

I do think with the smaller engines to many lights may cause a problem.. especially once you add things like an air breather with its fan going, radiater fan... as fans draw a ton of wattage, then a radio, intercom, lights, tail and headlights, amber and power to run the buggy all off a small battery.
Again this all depends on where you race and safety first of course.. I am sure everyone will work it out one way or another with LED lights etc.
But it might be nice to just input on where we race or what organization we are racing with may determine what you run. IF we race with a org. with other bigger cars then the full kit of lights must be on.. must.. safety first.
If we are the biggest cars.. minus a rhino or utv then tails and a amber is plenty. Maybe that rule can just be posted on the sign up flyer or web site under conditions etc. As most people will want to know the details to determine if they want to even race with bigger cars etc.?

I like the board idea.. Maybe set it up that you can be voted onto the board if you have raced your mini at an event for "X" amount of times and are in it for the season and long haul so you can vote on making improvements and changes for the best??? something like that?
That way people are seriously voting on whats best for the FDL group and not just themselves.

Also if you get a chance take a look in the stadium lite section on here and see how many threads and posts go on about rules.. sheesh pages and posts.. But in the size section it comes up with pretty much what you now have or close... so thats good.. anyways good info and insite on what people with minis that want to race our thinking in there.

Well cool and glad to see your open to ideas thats great. I managed to get the front done on my car and am very happy with my results... so moving right a long towards getting it ready to race so very cool. :)

Tonico
08-25-2010, 08:29 AM
Hi
You probably noticed that I had taken a stab at something similar. The main difference was that I was trying to start an independent series to be run on a shorten track using mostly existing tracks in the Barstow area. I simply could not find Insurane.
It appears that you are trying to have your races within existing races/promoters. Similar to what the JeepSpeed series does. This is a good idea and in fact I was starting to think along the same lines.
The issues here are that you' ll have to abide by the safety rules in the specific promoters organization. As far I can tell NONE allow cages of 1 1/4" tubing. The common reson given is that even though for a under 1000lb vehicle the cage would be adequate, you are sharing the track with much larger and faster vehicles. In a collision this could get dangerous. So seperate races to allow 1 1/4" tubing would be a must.
I have to admit that I was also disheartened by responces that wanted almost no safety requirements were in a majority. They simply wanted to put a helmet on and go racing. I actually saw this first hand in a race at Pala. They were racing in t-shirts and jeans with cages of doubious quality. Fuel Cells? What fuel cells? This was from the UTV crowd....
With this said I am willing to help you if you need. I live in Hesperia.
Most existing promoters usually have a sportsman class which would be ideal to enter in and keep a seperate scoring system, again as long as you follow the existing safety rules.
Speaking about location. Are you planning to make this a moving series like JeepSpeed? This could be hard financially for guys interested in this kind of racing. There will be a few that can afford to run in multiple lcations but I suspect that most only want to race locally
Regards
Tony

LiveWire
08-25-2010, 10:04 AM
I would suggest single carb single pipe for the two strokes on the lite class to prevent a sno cross 440 engine from ruling the class and bump it back up to 500 to allow the CR500 cylinder Pilots. Either that or lower to 400 and have a 600cc class for the 500 Pilots and 600 Drakart Formula Crosses already out there.

elmariachi
09-01-2010, 12:15 PM
Looks just like what a lot of us have been waiting for. Keeps us updated on the races...[smilie=ecstatic.gi:

turbotexas
09-01-2010, 11:13 PM
regarding the rules and the Honda Pilot's and Odysseys
ACR 2 Where will all this required equipment fit at in these small vehicles? One day's worth of water and food? We talking a gallon, a case of 20 oz disposables? Crackers and trail bars or hot dogs and a BBQ?
Triangles and flags take up quite a bit of room along with a 9 compartment first aid kit?
ACR 12 Why all these lights? I have a stock tail/stop light 3x6 inches, and a led amber strobe light 2x4 inches that is visible 100 yards plus. The added drain on the battery and wieght off all these extra lights will surely drain the battery!
ACR 15... These Honda's have been around for 20 plus years and have the safest fuel tanks built and designed by Honda, why remove it for something "new" and with out near as long of a track record???
ACR 20 no need for an oil cooler on a 2 stroke!
ACR 22 is the Stock OEM roll cage on a pilot or Odyssey approved, or do I need to "buy an aftermarket cage??? I refer to the 20+++ year track record!!!
ACR 24.8 The Odyssey came with a metal roof, the Pilot has a small PLastic roof OEM will this need to be replaced?
ACR25 Stock seat on a Pilot is far better than a suspension seat... I have never wrecked with a suspension seat, but the one piece construction of the pilot has held up for 20+ years and several crashes... Proven design from Honda...
ACR 26 Bulkhead on a Honda Pilot or Odyssey is certian death to a motor... Needed to help cool the engine I again revert back to the 20+++ years of proven performance from Honda...
ACR 29 Firewall is the same as a bulkhead since it is a rear engine system...

I have raced this pilot here in Texas, with Whiplash in Arizona, and at Glen Helen's Short course events, I would be very interested in this venue

TRC
09-02-2010, 02:21 PM
Hi all, im currently building a 450 yfz powered buggy that will be 66 track and about 93 wheel base and I had thoughts of doing some sort of desert racing. I gess that will be in the 1200 class? Its hard to package a 6 foot 3 person in something shorter. Any thoughts on setting up the rules that just the engine size defines the classes? one way or another, im in.

TutTech
09-05-2010, 10:29 AM
Pride updated his rules as many of us our like you.
My car is about 92 maybe all said an done 93 inches long on wheel base also and I am going for a 700cc raptor motor.
His update now has up to 100 inch wheel base and up to 800cc in the next class down.
Then the 1200cc class is for the even larger buggies etc.

Also Pride is trying to set up an organization to push mini buggy racing to allow us to race more places and be more organized. He is trying to work with everyone the best he can to help out.
If you have info contact him and if you just want to go race in the desert contact me for more info on places you can currently race any buggy you have. You will be racing in one class with everyone for now but you can race.

I think part of why the mini buggy racing is not "taking off" is that we are not very organized and if someone like Pride is working on just that is will only help us all out.
For now we all agree we may all just have to be as close to the rules as we can and everyone give a little to get this off the ground.
But later we can fine tune the rules etc. when we have enough people actually racing.

If anyone wants any information about racing in the desert, rules for what organizations want, where to race etc. by all means contact me I will be more then willing to help you get out there and race the best I can.
;)

The more of us that race just helps Pride make better rules for all of us, gets more people involved such as sponsors as well and lets the promotors know we are serious. All of this gets us our own series and events and gets us racing in more places.

I think its a great idea and look forward to the day I will have my mini done and I will be racing.
:)

pride_in_motion
09-06-2010, 11:22 PM
Hi
You probably noticed that I had taken a stab at something similar. The main difference was that I was trying to start an independent series to be run on a shorten track using mostly existing tracks in the Barstow area. I simply could not find Insurane.
It appears that you are trying to have your races within existing races/promoters. Similar to what the JeepSpeed series does. This is a good idea and in fact I was starting to think along the same lines.
The issues here are that you' ll have to abide by the safety rules in the specific promoters organization. As far I can tell NONE allow cages of 1 1/4" tubing. The common reson given is that even though for a under 1000lb vehicle the cage would be adequate, you are sharing the track with much larger and faster vehicles. In a collision this could get dangerous. So seperate races to allow 1 1/4" tubing would be a must.
I have to admit that I was also disheartened by responces that wanted almost no safety requirements were in a majority. They simply wanted to put a helmet on and go racing. I actually saw this first hand in a race at Pala. They were racing in t-shirts and jeans with cages of doubious quality. Fuel Cells? What fuel cells? This was from the UTV crowd....
With this said I am willing to help you if you need. I live in Hesperia.
Most existing promoters usually have a sportsman class which would be ideal to enter in and keep a seperate scoring system, again as long as you follow the existing safety rules.
Speaking about location. Are you planning to make this a moving series like JeepSpeed? This could be hard financially for guys interested in this kind of racing. There will be a few that can afford to run in multiple lcations but I suspect that most only want to race locally
Regards
Tony

Thanks Tony, I know I will be needing help in the very near future. Certain classes will be limited to running a course with only like sized vehicles, so the smaller tubing will not come into play.

pride_in_motion
09-06-2010, 11:24 PM
Looks just like what a lot of us have been waiting for. Keeps us updated on the races...[smilie=ecstatic.gi:

I will have an exciting update tomorrow night about the series and an upcoming race!

pride_in_motion
09-07-2010, 12:36 AM
TURBO I will answer your questions in the order you asked them.

Regarding the rules and the Honda Pilot's and Odysseys
ACR 2 Where will all this required equipment fit at in these small vehicles? One day's worth of water and food? We talking a gallon, a case of 20 oz disposables? Crackers and trail bars or hot dogs and a BBQ?
Triangles and flags take up quite a bit of room along with a 9 compartment first aid kit?

I know it can be done, these cars raced in SCORE in BAJA and you'd be surprised what can fit into a desert lite. A couple water bottles and a couple energy bars works for food and water.

ACR 12 Why all these lights? I have a stock tail/stop light 3x6 inches, and a led amber strobe light 2x4 inches that is visible 100 yards plus. The added drain on the battery and wieght off all these extra lights will surely drain the battery!

In my update to the rules below the complete rules I changed it to one amber and two tail lights with the extra lights only for races where we run with larger cars and the promoter requests it.

ACR 15... These Honda's have been around for 20 plus years and have the safest fuel tanks built and designed by Honda, why remove it for something "new" and with out near as long of a track record???

I will allow stock tanks in the FL350, PILOT, and REDLINE, but if you show up with an FL350 with a busa motor uhhh no you need a cell... and a head examination.

ACR 20 no need for an oil cooler on a 2 stroke!

That rule refers to required safe mounting if you use a cooler, not the need to have one.

ACR 22 is the Stock OEM roll cage on a pilot or Odyssey approved, or do I need to "buy an aftermarket cage??? I refer to the 20+++ year track record!!!

At the bottom of ACR22 it says stock cages allowed on a case by case basis, that is similar to the cells.

ACR 24.8 The Odyssey came with a metal roof, the Pilot has a small PLastic roof OEM will this need to be replaced?

Metal roof is required.

ACR25 Stock seat on a Pilot is far better than a suspension seat... I have never wrecked with a suspension seat, but the one piece construction of the pilot has held up for 20+ years and several crashes... Proven design from Honda...

I will allow stock seats in the Hondas and Redlines but they must be in as new condition.

ACR 26 Bulkhead on a Honda Pilot or Odyssey is certian death to a motor... Needed to help cool the engine I again revert back to the 20+++ years of proven performance from Honda...
ACR 29 Firewall is the same as a bulkhead since it is a rear engine system...

What I am looking for is a partition to keep any gas or other liquids from entering the drivers compartment in the event of a turnover. I know it can be done and if you need help with anything come by my shop when you are in So Cal.

I have raced this pilot here in Texas, with Whiplash in Arizona, and at Glen Helen's Short course events, I would be very interested in this venue

I look forward to you racing with us. And unlike your recent experience with a promoter, I will return your calls and answer your posts on the forums. I am sorry I took so long to answer my computer melted on me.

pride_in_motion
09-09-2010, 07:12 PM
The date for the first Formula Desert Lite event is up on the event calender section. OCT. 23

turbotexas
09-09-2010, 09:46 PM
Darn! Well maybe I can trade my busa motor I was going to drop into my odyssey for a metal roof plate! Lol so that and a second tail light is about all I need that I can do! The bulkhead is where I need some help with! I have been planning to put a splash gaurd at the right side of the seat so when I pit for fuel I don't have to get out of the harness! I will take picture tomorrow in the daylight to show the area, and see what you think needs to be done! The pilot is water cooled so it might not bother the cooling but the odyssey is an air cooled motor! I do have a liquid cooled head on it but but it still needs the airflow over the fins to properly cool it!
Where at are you in SoCal? I am in barstow all weekend and plan on riding at the outlet center area most of the weekend! I might go watch some of the race in lucerne valley!
I will try to make the october race!


TURBO I will answer your questions in the order you asked them.

Regarding the rules and the Honda Pilot's and Odysseys
ACR 2 Where will all this required equipment fit at in these small vehicles? One day's worth of water and food? We talking a gallon, a case of 20 oz disposables? Crackers and trail bars or hot dogs and a BBQ?
Triangles and flags take up quite a bit of room along with a 9 compartment first aid kit?

I know it can be done, these cars raced in SCORE in BAJA and you'd be surprised what can fit into a desert lite. A couple water bottles and a couple energy bars works for food and water.

ACR 12 Why all these lights? I have a stock tail/stop light 3x6 inches, and a led amber strobe light 2x4 inches that is visible 100 yards plus. The added drain on the battery and wieght off all these extra lights will surely drain the battery!

In my update to the rules below the complete rules I changed it to one amber and two tail lights with the extra lights only for races where we run with larger cars and the promoter requests it.

ACR 15... These Honda's have been around for 20 plus years and have the safest fuel tanks built and designed by Honda, why remove it for something "new" and with out near as long of a track record???

I will allow stock tanks in the FL350, PILOT, and REDLINE, but if you show up with an FL350 with a busa motor uhhh no you need a cell... and a head examination.

ACR 20 no need for an oil cooler on a 2 stroke!

That rule refers to required safe mounting if you use a cooler, not the need to have one.

ACR 22 is the Stock OEM roll cage on a pilot or Odyssey approved, or do I need to "buy an aftermarket cage??? I refer to the 20+++ year track record!!!

At the bottom of ACR22 it says stock cages allowed on a case by case basis, that is similar to the cells.

ACR 24.8 The Odyssey came with a metal roof, the Pilot has a small PLastic roof OEM will this need to be replaced?

Metal roof is required.

ACR25 Stock seat on a Pilot is far better than a suspension seat... I have never wrecked with a suspension seat, but the one piece construction of the pilot has held up for 20+ years and several crashes... Proven design from Honda...

I will allow stock seats in the Hondas and Redlines but they must be in as new condition.

ACR 26 Bulkhead on a Honda Pilot or Odyssey is certian death to a motor... Needed to help cool the engine I again revert back to the 20+++ years of proven performance from Honda...
ACR 29 Firewall is the same as a bulkhead since it is a rear engine system...

What I am looking for is a partition to keep any gas or other liquids from entering the drivers compartment in the event of a turnover. I know it can be done and if you need help with anything come by my shop when you are in So Cal.

I have raced this pilot here in Texas, with Whiplash in Arizona, and at Glen Helen's Short course events, I would be very interested in this venue

I look forward to you racing with us. And unlike your recent experience with a promoter, I will return your calls and answer your posts on the forums. I am sorry I took so long to answer my computer melted on me.

Tonico
09-10-2010, 03:15 AM
If you make it to Lucerne this week end and get to the vacinity of the road crossing at RM4 myself and my wife will be running that crossing. Stop by and say hi.
Tony

turbotexas
09-10-2010, 09:39 AM
Thanks for the invite Tony! I am trying to find a good map of where the race IS and then a layout of the course! I might be able to find it over at the tech area today off of outlet center exit! I will have to park the big rig off lenwood, behind the KFC if ya happen to get that far up, or see a pilot darting around in the trails say hi! If you can find a map that would be great!
David
210-831-8764

Tonico
09-10-2010, 12:05 PM
The race is not in the Barstow area. It is in Lucerne Valley (Johnson Valley) Google map Lucern Valley. The map of the course is online in the more WEB site. http://moreracing.net/10/maps/chili.pdf.
Tech will be at SlashX today from 5-9pm.
Tony

turbotexas
09-10-2010, 12:44 PM
Tut had mentioned they were going to tech here at the outlet mall exit? I guess they changed that? No worries ! I will try to make it outy there! I am supposed to pick up at 29 palms usmc base monday!

pride_in_motion
09-10-2010, 04:22 PM
Turbo I am in Temecula CA right now. I dont think I can make it up to Barstow this weekend. I hope you can make it out to this race, I'd like to add you to the list of Ody aka class Formula LITE drivers kicking this deal off. What part of Texas? I recently came back to Cal from living in Medina TX in the hill country. I also have a lot of family in Dallas.

turbotexas
09-10-2010, 04:49 PM
I am on the opposite side of San Antonio from Medina! Out in Seguin! I used to live in Banderan and castroville areas years ago!
My job makes it real hard to "commit" to a race simply because I don't know if I can find a load in this direction! I tried real hard to make the last glen helen race with Jerry, but couldn't "buy" a load going this way! I will try real hard, but I also know I have a race in El Paso same weekend!
Temecula is way south of here so no don't make a special trip on my account!

Fu21cc
09-22-2010, 12:33 PM
I've been reading this thread and want to put my 2cents.
I'm a person that wants to build a mini n want to get into racing
Either a 2seater or 1. I don't have much money and been interested in one
of Tuts frames. But if you get one class that has 80" wheelbase, 70" width and
Use a motor 500cc or less you would get people to race, even people that have trophy karts,
all they have 2 do is take the bodies off. You can get teenager to race this class also.
They have 450's on them and easier 2 build one w/ those motors, that's what I want build.
The next class you can have 100" wheelbase 80" width and the motor 800cc or less. You can use
quad motors like the Raptor, Honda and some dirt bike motors. And w/ the next class you can have
110" wheelbase 90" width and for motors you can have 2 different types. Being that street bike motors
have more horsepower, 800cc for single seat buggies and 1200cc for the 2 seater since there's a lot
of 2 seat mini's w/ hayabusa motors out there 2 race this this class. W/ the 1st class u can also get people that
have pilots and old stadium karts out and eac that class too. I've wanting 2 build one 4 awhile now.
Been looking at what people build, the specs and everything. There's people that sell them turnkey and some you
build your own. If you look at Tuts website he has 2 minis in here already. The small stadium and the desert stadium he's
building for himself. Even his small a-arm buggy, put a street bike motor and you got the last class.
This is my 2cents from someone that's not racing but does want 2 get in to. But its just my 2 cents.

pride_in_motion
09-23-2010, 10:25 PM
Now you can see why I posted these as a work in progress. This is a group for the racers to develop this into the best possible group of classes for moto powered vehicles. Me and XMOTORCR have been back and forth on the split between the 1200 and 800 in fact we had a 600 class that was aimed at the old desert lites (74" wheelbase 72" track), I cut it out and kind of split the differance on wheel base between the 800 and 600 class so as not to have so many classes at first. We plan on a spec class in the near future but that will only happen with factory involvement.

I think I might just go back to laying it out like this

F1200 100" WB 86" TRACK
F800 95" WB 80" TRACK
FLITE 83" WB 74" TRACK 600cc 4stroke 440cc two stroke (stock 750 weber allowed)

I will work on the light rules to loosen them up for events where we are not sharing a course with full size class 1 cars.

As far as the emergency supplies I will make a note about not needed for short course. The food and water thing I wish I had one time on a 20 mile loop in ara when I got off course and broke down...summer sun in barstow sucks! and an energy bar might have been good too lol

I think rules should be done with a board type situation where one man does not control all decisions. I nominate TUT to be on that board along with Jerry aka XMOTO

We have the class you are looking for, FORMULA LITE. If Trophy Karts wanted to play I wouldn't make them shed the body, I am curious how they would do on a real desert course. I hope you can build something and get involved. Remember one of the best ways to get into it is get out and help someone.

turbotexas
09-24-2010, 08:18 AM
We have the class you are looking for, FORMULA LITE. If Trophy Karts wanted to play I wouldn't make them shed the body, I am curious how they would do on a real desert course. I hope you can build something and get involved. Remember one of the best ways to get into it is get out and help someone.

the trophy karts do real good in the deserts if the shocks are tuned right!

pride_in_motion
09-30-2010, 03:34 PM
I edited and updated the rules that I posted at the beginning of this thread. These are probably not the final draft, but do not foresee any major changes to them before the start of the 2011 season. I still want INPUT from those interested in competing in FORMULA DESERT LITES. The OCT 23 race is coming up and I have updated the upcoming events thread with entry form and map. If you want to see a video of what you can expect at on of our race terrain wise check out the homepage of AVE,
here is a link...Alta Vista Events - Official Site - California City, California, USA (http://www.altavistaevents.com/)

turbotexas
10-21-2010, 07:51 AM
why are you limiting the formula lites to a 440cc 2 stroke instead of a 500cc? that cuts out a lot of pilots who have done the 500cc conversion, or build buggies with a 500cc sled motor??? for years the limit has been 500cc's! You made an exception to the weber motors???

pride_in_motion
10-21-2010, 03:32 PM
You are right about the 500cc for two strokes absolutely, I dropped the ball on that one. As for the weber, yes I made an exception for the weber simply because it makes around 75 horse stock, a 500 like you are talking about makes 80 or so. I also will limit any motor if it shows a major proven advantage over the other motors. I will either bump that up a class or impose weight restrictions. This class is proving to be the toughest to write rules for because of a span of 25+ years of technology and trying to make that fit. I really would like to see Trophy karts fit into the lite class without making too many changes. My original intent was to make the lites class 75"-80" wb and 74" track, and have the motors around the FL350 to the 500cr/weber750 range. But people keep wanting it longer and wider so it has become formula extenze instead of formula lite. I think I should go back to the shorter wheelbase for the true lites class, wheelbase is the key to going fast in the desert, so that limitation will outweigh HP numbers in my opinion. INPUT? INPUT? INPUT?

turbotexas
10-21-2010, 06:39 PM
Wheel base or suspension set up will be the major factor in winning! I have a pilot with stock suspension that is faster than my 350 ody, but the Works Shocks I have make the ody ride thru the rough stuff so much better! wheelbase needs to be similar just because of the overall size of the vehicle needs to be close for obvious reason! I would hate to get run over by a larger car! As opposed to being bumped from behind! The trophy karts shold do weLl in the lites class even with a 450 thumper merely because of there suspension, and light wieght! Size wise they should fit right in!I kinda like the 25 year old "history" in this class, and welcome the newer technology!

badbuggies
11-06-2010, 12:28 PM
I am in the process of building one of our mini buggies for racing and this F1200 class would work great for my car. We have built two of these for the sand but they are heavy duty enough to be desert cars. They have the 1000cc Yamaha Apex snowmobile engine. The wheel base will be about 95" and rear track width of about 80" depending on the tire and wheel set up. I want to use 15 wheels instead of the 12" used on the car now only because they would be cheaper. Currently the car weighs 950 lbs and the chassis is 1.5" 095 DOM and suspension is all 1.25" 120 Chromoly. Travel all around is 18". I will look for more information in the coming months. I will also post my progress with this build. I live up in Nor Cal so I might be running it at VORRA.

andy johs
01-18-2011, 07:00 PM
I can't find the Formula Desert Lite's on the Alta Vista site. I would like to know dates times ,location ect. Thanks Andy.

TutTech
01-19-2011, 08:37 AM
Take a look at the Alta Vista site here
Super Course Desert Series (http://www.altavistaevents.com/Pages/SuperCourse%20Series/SuperCourseSeries.html)

The racing events are called the super course series... and the Formula Lites race in this series.
Heres the info page
Alta Vista Events 2011 Super Course #1 (http://www.altavistaevents.com/Pages/SuperCourse%20Series/SC2011/2011SC1/2011SC1.html)

and the sign up sheet you can see here and download it.. looks like it is 150 to race and that includes the tracker in the price from what it looks like...
Alta Vista Events 2011 Super Course #1 (http://www.altavistaevents.com/Pages/SuperCourse%20Series/SC2011/2011SC1/2011SC1EntryForm.html)


Hope to see you out there at the next race. Look me up if you go.
:)

bajatex
01-19-2011, 02:38 PM
Tut would my RC51 car be legal to race there? It is 1 1/4" 4130

andy johs
01-19-2011, 08:06 PM
Thanks for the info Tut, I will be ate the next race and i will look for you. I will not be racing, my china CVT finally broke, I'm tring to save money for the RPM unit. I'm excited to see how things work, the Alta Vista site doesn't say alot about mini buggys. Like do they take off after the bikes and quads or before. I will bring my dirt bike so i can ride the course and see what it is like. See you on Feb 19. Andy

TutTech
01-20-2011, 08:00 AM
Hey guys, Pride in Motion is setting up the Formula Desert Lites, Alta Vista Events, (AVE) is the racing organizer and they hold the races. Lou the owner does not really have anything to do with the rules, set up etc. so you won't find much on his site if at all other then the entry form etc.
So you want to contact Pride in Motion a member on this site to ask spacific details.
You can also check out this link:
http://www.minibuggy.net/forum/class-development/13720-formula-desert-lites.html
Read the second post down and that has a ton of his rules he is setting up. Now because the rules are new input is welcome and he is open to them. Also he is allowing cars to run for now type deal on case by case bases. Like last race everyone just ran in one group as only 3 cars showed up.

Bajatex, it says in the rules that up to 1,000 pounds 1 1/4 inch frames are allowed. So if your close to that I am sure you are fine. You can contact pride for sure.
Once enough people start racing classes are set up by motor size and wheel base. So from there you will fit either in the entry level small motor, mid level medium motor and wheel base, upper level which is longer and bigger or open which is you don't fit into any of the classes.
But I think for now everyone might just run in one group.. will see at this race what Pride in Motion is going to say or do.


Some info on the course, the smaller cars do great on the smaller tighter sections and the bigger cars like tom pros car thats bigger, just as big as my Midi Buggy actually did great on the longer straights with all the whoops etc. There are a couple hill climbs and I do mean rough, rocky hills.. so don't over gear etc. or go to big of a tire for flat out running. These courses are usually more technical then flat out.

The cool thing is the course does not have wagon wheel ruts like you see at the big races where all the class 1 cars and trophy trucks have rutted the courses out so thats awesome. Our smaller tires and smaller cars don't have an issue with that.. nice.

The courses are rocky, rough in their own way, lots of bushes.. oh did I say lots of bushes... :D
and mostly tight trails. You use IRC trackers to keep everyone equal and make sure no one cuts the course etc. Course is pretty easy to follow for the most part.
The race starts at the same place on Lous property pretty much each time then goes on different courses from there.
I also will not be racing the next race but will be there so please find me and meet up. It's pretty small at the start finish/pit area so you should find me easy enough. I am trying to bring my car to let a few people see it so hopefully I will have it there just to show it. I will be in some form of Tut Tech Racing gear or another... :D

The buggies are the last off the line and start about 3-5 minutes behind the last quad off the line.
Bikes first, quads then us.

AVE runs the racing with a first finisher to come in the race then starts to stop. What that means is once the over all bike comes in the race is over. Kind of like a test graded on a curve, who ever scores the highest your all then judged off where you finish from there.
So what happens is if your on lap 2 and you still have a 3rd lap to go and the over all bike finishes then you just finish the lap your on but they don't let you go out on the last lap.
This is good and bad... Good your done, early and don't have to keep going. Bad is if someone in front of you makes their 3rd lap before the over all winner finishes they get counted for that last lap and you don't.
Kind of hard to make a come from the back and catch up type win.
Little different once you come watch you will understand. You just have to be out on your last lap before he finishes thats all so you get counted for it and get to race and pass others or whatever and see where you finish when you cross the line.

Well thats about it for what I can think of.
Ya bring your bike and of course check out the race after so you can see what your going to be racing on we did that the first time we came out to an AVE race too.

Andy Johs, Good luck on getting your cvt fixed up and hope to see you racing soon.
Bajatex hope to see you and your car at the next race. Good luck and if you need any help with fueling etc. I will be more then happy to lend a hand if you want/need any.

See you all in Feb.
:)

andy johs
02-22-2011, 08:48 PM
Tut did the race happen last weekend. Wheather was bad, they said snow,flashfloods and 28 degrees, so i didn't go. what happened.

TutTech
02-23-2011, 11:30 AM
I did go.. sorry had some over time and my puter is acting up.. I will do a little write up tomorrow ok.
It wasn't to bad.. windy a bit and we made it out and over just before the snow. Seriously.

4 side by sides raced.. looked like one more was there but broken maybe pre running etc. and the only mini buggy blew its motor?? Or tranny but they first said motor pre running and left.. so no buggies this time.

Ya a lot of spectators did not show and I can see why with the weather and wind the night before.
But for the morning of the race it was not bad.

I will post tomorrow with some pics and anymore info I can find.

:)

TutTech
02-24-2011, 09:20 AM
ok so here is the main info from AVE themselves about the results etc.

The 2011 SEASON -- Alta Vista Events - AVE

Chris Brown was the Absolute Overall at SuperCourse # 1 in Cal City. There were four 25-mile laps+ and he completed them in 2:03:28 to average 48.5 mph on what had to be considered a semi-fast course, with quite a few really tough sections. It appears that he also posted the fastest lap of the day when on his second lap he turned it into a :30.24 minute lap. Actually the fastest lap of the day was also his first lap with a :29.50 min. lap but to win the Fast Lap Cash, none of the first laps counted.
Second Overall and second in the Open Expert Class was Charly Garrett, making his return to SuperCourse event after a few years absent. He posted a 2:06:41 for four laps to average 47.3 mph. His fastest lap was his fourth when he posted a :30.40 minute lap, only 18 seconds slower than Brown. Great ride.
Fastest Quad went to Nick Nelson (Open Exp) posting a time of 2:25:34, and the fastest FDL/UTV title went to Kyle Melville of Palmdale as they finished three laps in a time of 1:59:41 hrs.
What promised to be a wet, soggy and even snowy Saturday, turned out to be one of the greatest racing days, as the clouds cleared race morning to feature a totally drenched 25-plus mile course (big rains and winds on Friday night), just like a Supercross course!

If you wish to check the results go to: www.altavistaevents.com (http://www.altavistaevents.com) and click on the SuperCourse button. You can also see the Google Earth "kmz" files for each of the racers and compare them.
Next SuperCourse event (#2) is March 18-19 also at the Alta Vista Ranch, Cal City.




Ok then for my report I was pitting for my buddy Bill on his quad in the open quad class.
He came in 3rd after running out of gas out on course.. man just didn't make 50 miles on a single tank.. he thought he could and tested and was able to but racing he used more. He ran out 2 miles shy.. so had to fuel him and get him going again... he feel back pretty far but made up and took 3rd by the end. Not bad.

Ok as for the Minis as I said no buggies started as the only one broke and they went home. Mostly do to the bad weather the night before, really bad weather a lot of people did not show up. But actually it was perfect other then a cold wind.

Here are a couple pics from the race of the UTV guys that did race.
I met up with Chris Blaze who won last race and he was doing great. He was the 4th UTV off the line and by lap one was in 1st! But on his 2nd lap he got a flat and feel back. Got it fixed and was off again and made up some ground and came in 2nd.
Very cool. If you don't know some history on Chris he is a big time motorcycle racer who crashed and is paralyzed from the waste down and races his RZR with hand controls. So he has a lot going on in his cab with the hand controls and all while hes racing and hes doing great. Plus I love talking to his wife she is in the pits helping everyone! And I do mean anyone and everyone. She is super excited for her husband to be racing and supports him and everyone she can. Great woman and Chris is a great guy.

I as always enjoy meeting up with the people out there. It's a bit smaller then your big groups and everyone sits or stands around the pits.. I mean everyone. So you talk and wait for your bike, quad or utv to come in and when it does everyone helps out.
Then you hang out watch everyone else and wait again lap after lap tell finish.

Anyways its very cool, everyone awesome and its fun. You guys should at least come out and see for yourself. Trust me you will be like this is cool I can do this and will want to come race with AVE and hang out with the great people.

Here are a couple of pics of the utv guys getting off the line.
I'm pretty sure this was the class winner here getting off the starting line.
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL169/1054762/23550275/395335859.jpg

Chris Blaze and his RZR
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL169/1054762/23550275/395335853.jpg

and him taking off...
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL169/1054762/23550275/395335862.jpg

I love watching their little front ends lift.. cool


Here they are coming out of the desert and into the pit section. A fenced in Pit row and where you get counted for your laps all in one. This is where everyone hangs out and watches to see how everyone is doing and if your pitting or fueling etc. you do it here.
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL169/1054762/23550275/395335865.jpg


Here is how close it was on the first lap almost everyone was coming into pits almost all at once or at least back to back as on pulled out another pulled in.
This was just after lap 2 and Chris was making up time after his flat tire.
http://pic20.picturetrail.com/VOL169/1054762/23550275/395335869.jpg


Well not much else to report.
Great day of racing and fun. The next race is March 18th for tech and 19th for the race.
I will not be able to make this race as I will be at MOREs Off Road race with Pepper. Bummer two races on the same weekend.. dang.. :(

Anyways you guys should go check it out. Or heck go race it.
:)

Rat4020
02-24-2011, 12:53 PM
Tut were is the race on the 19th at how far from Glamis ?

TutTech
02-25-2011, 08:42 AM
Well... Both races are out a bit. The minis are racing in California City.
And MORE with the full size buggies are racing in Barstow.
Barstow is something like 4 hrs. maybe and Cal. City like 4.5 or so.

From my front door to Glamis and Gecko rd. is 200 miles. Barstow is 30 miles past my house farther.
So your looking at 230 miles one way.

So a little ways.
:(

gregrachelle
02-25-2011, 09:09 PM
I think part of why the mini buggy racing is not "taking off" is that we are not very organized and if someone like Pride is working on just that is will only help us all out.
For now we all agree we may all just have to be as close to the rules as we can and everyone give a little to get this off the ground.
But later we can fine tune the rules etc. when we have enough people actually racing.

The more of us that race just helps Pride make better rules for all of us:)

Ill throw in my 2 cents here...

I have been looking into racing and "building" my own car for quite a while. I have notice that most of the people on this site tend to follow the term "do it your self ers". everyone wants to build a buggy or project. if you ask any of us we all want, or wouldnt mind racing. that being said i have run into the same problem time and time again.
The need- I want to build my own car!

The need- I want to race the car i build!

The problem- I would like step by step plans to build my own car, from bend angles down to nuts and bolts, tubing and components, plans that are "race class" specific.... or something of that nature.
I know that there are plans out there for cars and such, but most of these appear to be geared towards a sand car, or just a play car and not realy a race car or even a dual sport.

It seems that there is a need (from what i have seen and heard and want) for this. plans that are for the homebody, but are for an actual quality style, built to race, type car.

want- plans that are step by step, specific parts lists, photos, and a source to get the parts.

for instance- my brother just built rotorway helicoptor. now he didnt build the frame but..... the way the plans are set up was nice, step by step of fabrication, brackets, parts, locations, and now he takes it to shows where others have built the same kits and they have flyins, and heli shows.
my parents are building a lancair evolution, this is a plane, all carbonfiber, step by step, examples of fabricating.

anyway, just a little frustration of mine, and TuT your exactly right when you say its not "taking off" because of lack of organization. in my mind, this is a do it yourself website, people want something to build from, plans are cheap and lots of people would spend the money for a good set for a good car, that you could race in this formula lite class, that you could build and budget as you go.

just sayin:)

Rat4020
02-26-2011, 09:03 AM
Well... Both races are out a bit. The minis are racing in California City.
And MORE with the full size buggies are racing in Barstow.
Barstow is something like 4 hrs. maybe and Cal. City like 4.5 or so.

From my front door to Glamis and Gecko rd. is 200 miles. Barstow is 30 miles past my house farther.
So your looking at 230 miles one way.

So a little ways.
:( 200 miles to glamis for you that's funny Its just about exactly 2000 miles for my shop to Glamis going the .Denver down through Albuquerque then the 40 to Flagstaff route. Anyho 230 miles one way is a bit of a trip a day after 2000 miles to G But If the buggy takes a shit the first day I might be lookin ya up.. Good luck to you and Pepper any ways in the race:cool:

TutTech
02-26-2011, 10:27 AM
Ya I was thinking that too.
No worries and Pepper is not racing this one. We are spending a lot of this year paying back and trying to help keep racing alive before it's gone in CA.. or at least at MORE.
We will do some racing for sure but not going for the points. After Pepper coming off the points championship we are taking a brake.
We are racing the charity events like Powder Puff, Toys for Tots and probably the 500 as that one is the biggest challange we get to do and awesome!
But the rest we are leaving open and for now were working for MORE and running road crossings to help out so they don't have to pay for more BLM officers at 1,000 dollars per day each!
Damn. :( last race we had to have 9 BLMS so at an additional cost of 9,000 dollars had to be added to everyones entry fees. Wow.. that's bad. With that terrible accident that happend last year with another organization MORE is the last org. running in the area and so they are having to deal with all the changes and new rules.. and their are many!

So ya were not racing this one anyways but will still be there and working instead which is just as important if not more right now.
Hope your car does well and you have a blast. Have fun
;)

TutTech
02-26-2011, 10:49 AM
Gregrachelle, I agree you make perfect since and I think plans could help. The only thing is especially in CA. everyone wants to sue you for something or nothing. So you have to cover yourself, then your business, then on and on. Ok so talking to 3 people who have looked into building plans their insurance company said no.
They would not insure plans because "there is no quality or control of the product you have designed"
I think was the exact wording.

So especially for racing you can not get insurance to cover plans.
Minute you say race car your insurance goes up Massive as it is already. So you build a frame or roller and the person does what they want with it.. if they race it then your LLC. gets sued etc. But trust me the minute someone gets hurt, or worse then they or their families are going to sue. Just look at how many law suits and sueing is going on from the crash at the MDR race last year.
MORE's insurance where we race went from 2 million a race to 10 million and thats per BLM that they had to do it. So entry fees went from 200 to 340 to cover the new fees of insurance and BLM.
Thats massive.

Anyways a little off course. But they two go hand in hand.
If you can not make sure the plans were followed 100% and the do it yourself builder did not cut corners to save cost, weight or over build the engine for the size or class plans he bought for example then your going to get sued. Insurance companies don't want to touch plans at all for what we do so that makes it so hard I would have to charge more for plans to pay for insurance then just building a person a frame! Forget 200 dollar plans your talking 3 to 4 times that. So it just is not really do able.
Not for any of us anyways. Now if some bigger company wanted to add on insurance and absorb into their company plans or something then maybe. But that's beyond what I see here at this site or even mini buggies for now doing.

The other big thing about being un organized is everyone builds for their wants and needs then decides they want to race. Racing has very strict rules for a reason. Safety. Hands down. So you have so many do it yourself builders whos cars are to light, small, not engineered or built to pass specs or safety. So again we as a group are not very organized.
I think people are coming together (slowly) and solving some of these problems.
I offer frames that will pas specs for racing as a starting point. Shoot your going to spend 3 grand on a FNR rear set up and 2 grand on an engine and another 2 grand in shocks etc. So then whats 800 dollars for the entire car its going into? Done right. Seriously people need to think about what they want and or are doing before they say I want it cheaper. Or I need to save cost. Then racing is going to be tough on you. racing is not cheap. Going off my own rules and specs I am building my race car I know you have seen my post for my Mini Desert Lite. It will cost me less to build then a Rhino or RZR when done. Then those guys still have to buy full cages, fuel cells, safety gear, etc. and long travel and shocks if they want to keep up with me. I will be at the price of a Rhino with Suspension race ready with safety gear no problem.

I am working as hard as I can to set up a spec class people can afford to get into and race.
If you think my prices are to much then you really need to look into racing costs, cars, parts, peices etc. and seriously think if you can do it for less by yourself and build it cheaper and race it and pass the rules. Some people can and those people should. Others can't and should look for people like myself or buggy companies for help.

But their are people or companies out there working towards a common goal. we will get more organized in the years to follow. I think we need some people building some cars to specs and then the others will see and follow. Like the Rhino and RZRs etc. The utv specs are starting to come together and they are following and they have 10 thousand of those things running around and their finally getting it right in the past year or so.

We just need more time and more people willing to help.
I can not build you plans but I build in my logs and posts exactly what you need and how you can go about doing it for a decent price.. I don't always go the cheapest because you don't want cheap on a race car. but I will always find a good way of doing things for a great price. I also do all this for free. I do not sell plans or make people pay me to explain or follow along in one of my builds.

I am setting up a build to walk someone through an entire build from beginning to end and a web site just for Mini Lites to help. Free. I am doing this to get people more oraganized and help. The more people that come race the more fun we all have. I can't race alone. I am working on my car and hope others do to. If anyone needs help like others already have please pm me or ask.

Thanks and lets keep pushing forward and this will happen.
;)

gregrachelle
02-26-2011, 01:12 PM
i agree Tut. I guess to explain a little further..... I am a true outsider trying to figure out how to get in. have always wanted to race (or even just drive offroad for that matter). have had a sandrail vw powered in the past and loved it, ford rangers etc, and have the experience of the automotive industry (collision repair to be specific) and some offroad fab school to give me some knowledge in the industry. As a "want to build my own" am hesitant to just throw my money at something to experiment. I do understand that either way- the sport is very pricey, but would rather pay for good plans to build my own... (not so i can cut corners or $$$, but rather just to do it my self.... just to be clear).
any whooo... I feel i have to "give in" in order to get a car that i feel is worth putting the money into..... and the insurance part TUT totally makes sense, its just a bummer it has all gone that way.
What if someone makes plans just for suspension and motor location, where the geometry is out of the way, measurements of where and how to set up on a jig, and then it is up to the builder to tie it all together??? (or maybe that is already done and i dont know it??) it sounds like no one wants to be liable... is this a possibility? My main struggle is worrying that i wont get the suspension geometry set up right, or the engine to the transaxles lined up. "heres the correct suspension / bulk heads... its up to you to build a cage of your liking" (i have been told i overcomplicate things, i just prefer getting it as close to right the first time)

anyway like i said, im on the outside looking in, and there is so much dang info, its hard to even figure out what class i would be in, and to make matters harder there are classes like this one that i didnt even know existed. I JUST WANT IN [smilie=ecstatic.gi:[smilie=jumping.gif]

TutTech
02-26-2011, 03:19 PM
You know another thing especially right now is there are a ton of builders that are willing to "help out" and do piece work on your vehicle.
For example say you build your frame and your ready to do some suspension. Call say Mosebuilt and say hey John I need from and rear a arms fixtured up and set into place on my frame. He say ok and you work out a price.
Drop off your frame and pick it up with front and rear arms fixtured onto your frame.

I used to order arms, front and rear from places like them and Desert Dynamics and others. Buy there a arms and parts because I wasn't sure. But then once I had their parts on my car I made notes took photos and what not and then on the next car built my own to match theirs.

Also it works great if you say damage an arm or part. Phone call and go pick up your new part.
Or after your doing better with your building start making your own.

It's kinda hard to make that leap I know for sure. I did vw stuff also and it wasn't until I worked for Mosebuilt that I was able to make the jump and start building my own parts after guys like John and Isaac from there taught me how and more important why things work.
Later I was able to go to the desert or tracks with the cars and make changes and adjustments and feel the difference. How quick the steering corrects or how much harder it is to turn for example. Things like that. Plus for me I have 10 years of racing of making little changes here and there some I liked some I put back and did not like. So I have a good deal of hands on experience more then anything. I am not good at explaining things but I am good at figureing out and setting up my suspensions for what I want. I make tweeks and adjustments tell I like how it feels and my lap times show me actually being faster.

Sorry long story longer.... But maybe you should find a shop you can trust or get into and like and work with them to build you the stuff you don't want or don't want to do twice etc.
I really like the Mosebuilt class 3000 Desert Lite car with the rolled radius roof and nice long back trailing arms.. Seriously killer car. Plus I am sure he will do you a better deal then say Fusion or Full Potential on one of his frames or his parts.

Talk to John the owner and tell him Tut told you to call him.
909-624-8888

Good luck hope that info helps.
:)

TutTech
03-29-2011, 08:42 AM
Just a heads up I posted this in the events section but thought I would add it to this thread as it would be a great time for people to meet up and discuss the class some more. Come out and show your support. Also you could bring your own buggy out and race it at the event.
Plus if interested you can set up a vendor display booth for 100 for the entire weekend. To either sell or display your products or stuff for sell.

Heres the info:

AVE is having a Gran Prix in Cal City April 15th-17th.
They will have 2 days of racing, with 3 days of events, vendors, food and displays.. my Mini Lite buggy will be on display, still working on details now. So come out and check it out. [smilie=happy.gif]

Also take a look at the event here on their website
AVE 1st Annual Cal City Gran Prix (http://www.altavistaevents.com/Pages/GranPrix/CalCityGP2011/CalCityGP.html)

Great time to bring out your mini buggies or UTV's and race them.
Sounds like a ton of fun and you will see me, my wife and friends there for sure and maybe with my buggy on display even.

Some come check it out and enjoy a great weekend of racing and fun.


:)

TutTech
03-30-2011, 08:17 AM
Never mind.. the event was cancelled do to not enough entries to pay for the event and do to their account being hacked and all their money stolen... :(

jaredc00
04-26-2011, 04:23 PM
Hey I'm new to the forum. I've got an old SAE Mini Baja. I was just looking for a place to race it and ran across this site. I couldn't see any upcoming events on the calender. Where is the best place to look. Oh, and I like the rules Pride and others have. I'm out of Utah.

race7
04-26-2011, 07:33 PM
Bonniville Offroad Racing -- borracing.org -- is a desert racing assoc. based out of Utah that holds races in Northern Nevada. Last year they added Motorcycle/UTV/ATV classes. They race these classes in the morning 100-150 miles and follow with the trucks and buggies doing 250 to 400 miles in the afternoon. This year they have added more UTV/SxS classes from stock to unlimited. The rules and classes are posted on the website. This is a new class and a work in progress.

TutTech
04-27-2011, 10:51 AM
Sounds like Borracing would be close and good for you.

We out here in CA. go to AVE.. or Alta Vista Events
Here is the link
Alta Vista Events - Official Site - California City, California, USA (http://www.altavistaevents.com/)

That is where we do our desert racing.. and then down to Glen Helen for our close course or kind of stadium style racing.

;)

Sounds good and good luck.
:)


If you need anymore info hit me up.. pm me etc.. but over at AVE you will find links etc. to all the racing.
We run the Super Course Series. All the side by sides, buggies etc.
Welcome to the site by the way also.

:)

jaredc00
04-27-2011, 01:00 PM
Thanks for the info :D

I'm looking into these race sites!
Why aren't these events on the calender? Is there some kind of filter I'm not using properly. the only event on the calender that I see is for MOARA this weekend.

Once I get more familiar with the site maybe I'll try and throw them on the calender if nobody else does. And if they're not already on there and I just don't know how to see them.

TutTech
04-28-2011, 12:13 PM
no I don't think its you I think Pride needs to make a post in the events section and then choose to make it on the calender type deal...
If no one does it then they don't show up on it.

So no not you just hasn't been set up thats all.
:(

CGOffroad
07-22-2013, 09:22 PM
Does anyone have any information about whether something has happened with this? Did the writer of this create a website to follow up on? Any info... Thanks