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RickS.
07-21-2009, 03:35 PM
I've been working on this for about 8 weeks now. designed first in Autocad and finished up the first prototypes this week. Just waiting on the Fox 2.0 x 10" shocks. I'm hoping they will show up later in the week or early next.
It's raked 15 degrees and has 18" travel. 63" track width. Frame clears the ground by 3" at full compression.(26x8x12 tires)Fully adjustable castor and camber. Zero camber at full droop through about the first 4" of the travel, then it climbs to -7 1/2 at full compression. The pedal sets can be moved forward 2 1/2" from the standard Piranha location. (creating more room in the cockpit) It's blocked up on the bench at it's mounted position with suspension compressed to approx. ride height.
This design lifts the nose up so it's no longer like a wedge. It's also designed with true Ackerman for a Piranha that's been extended 6".
Steering is 1 1/2 turns lock to lock & bump steer is basicaly zero.
critique it please.

Bugpac
07-21-2009, 03:47 PM
I got a chance to see this project evolve from cad to about 60% off what is shown in person, Superb craftsmanship as always, And a real treat for pirahna owners so they can cut the factory front section off and put this right in its place...

RickS.
07-21-2009, 03:51 PM
A couple more

Gene
07-21-2009, 06:49 PM
Beautiful work Rick. Any Pirahna owner would be wise to contact you for more information about this product. Savvy ones will buy it.

RickS.
07-21-2009, 07:23 PM
I've got one going out to a Piranha owner next week. I'll post up photos of the transplant and should have feedback on how it handles soon after.
I'm starting on a new frame for one of my own also. This one will get a new rear design as well.

Gene
07-21-2009, 07:29 PM
How about posting a thread in Projects in Progress to show the conversion? that would be very intereting.

RickS.
07-21-2009, 07:35 PM
I can do that.

Artie on Edge
07-21-2009, 11:49 PM
Excellent excellent excellent.... damned impressive Rick. Youve taken several existing issues with the original design and resolved them all in one motion. Im looking forward to seeing this in action.

In your email you mentioned this as a rival for the Cuda front. I think it goes a couple of steps further than the cuda. Youve eliminated the potential for the chassis hitting the ground issue and introduced ackermann. The designer of the Cuda feels that ackermann isnt required. Well let me tell you that pulling back into the pits at slow speed after 3 hours of competition...it sure is appreciated!

Well done mate.

RickS.
07-22-2009, 06:37 AM
I've never driven a buggy with Ackerman. But after listening to all of the debates on these forums I decided to go with it. How often do you cut your wheels to full lock at speed? It certainly can't hurt to have it.
In my mind the reason you don't see it used much is because it's very difficult to achieve. Especially on a car with front steer geometry and disc brakes.

RickS.
08-14-2009, 02:39 PM
Just finished up on the module. Here are a few more pics with the tires and shocks mounted. And a shot for comparison next to a single a Piranha.
This is all shipping out Monday and will be transplanted into a Piranha and tested in a couple weeks.
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/withshocksandtires001.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/withshocksandtires006.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/withshocksandtires009.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/withshocksandtires010.jpg

nutnbolt2002
08-14-2009, 03:01 PM
Rick do you have a idea of what the conversion will cost?

sodman
08-14-2009, 03:56 PM
Rick ""All right you guys what do you do all your work out side and move things inside for pictures my kitchen isn't that clean LOL" ,very impressive work what kind of rack did you use for the transplant thats on pile clearance on the front end. I'll have to make rear end trans plant to catch up to the front. I've said it in the past I'll say it again there is one pile of talent people on this site.
Video of the before and after transplant please
Later Sodman

RickS.
08-14-2009, 04:56 PM
I guess the cost depends on how much you build yourself. PM me.
I have the racks custom made for this application. It's a quality USA automotive R & P. Very heavy duty, 1 1/2 turns lock to lock and mounted down with (8) 5/16 screws.
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/withshocksandtires007.jpg

NFG
08-16-2009, 03:59 AM
Awesome Rick! How much would that front end cost to be built and sent to Australia??

RickS.
08-16-2009, 06:30 AM
buco, pm sent.

Jay1823
08-17-2009, 08:12 PM
Doesn't matter what the cost is, everything Rick does has so much thought, engineering and quality craftsmanship put into it, it's worth every penny.
That's why whenever i need something made i make the hour drive to see him because it's well worth it.

250r05
08-18-2009, 08:09 PM
I know thats for a pirana. but that would tuck in nicly under my rhino hood. once i bend up my front end . all be buging you rick. nice work.

RickS.
08-29-2009, 10:41 AM
OK, I just got these pics from before and after the transplant.
It's not up and running yet, but it should be ready early next week.
It just needs the throttle cable and brake lines lengthened. And the steering column also reworked. Troy is sending me a disc with a ton of pics of the transplant. I'll start a thread with those when they show up.

http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/before1.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/after1.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/after4.jpg

Bugpac
08-30-2009, 03:57 PM
Rick, that thing turned out Badass, Cant wait to hear the run report, I suspect it will be top notch... I know exactly what i will be building...

RickS.
08-30-2009, 05:59 PM
You'll want the new rear too. Here's where I'm at with my own frame.
I just got this tacked up this weekend. I'll be adding quite a few additional supports to the frame and nerfs also. This one will be getting a GSXR1000

http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/newframe004.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/newframe001.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/newframe009.jpg

izaguf
08-30-2009, 07:09 PM
Awesome work Rick! Can't wait to here more about the test run.

r.c.t.
08-30-2009, 09:15 PM
what kind of front hubs and dics are on this vehicle. what bolt pattern!

RickS.
08-30-2009, 09:43 PM
Hubs on Troy's are The Edge aluminum hubs 4 on 156.
Mine are an old set of 4 on 4 that I just needed to get rid of.
Wheels are 12x6 4B 2N
The discs are 3/16" x 8 1/2" dia. mild steel, laser cut.

http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/withshocksandtires014.jpg

Bugpac
09-03-2009, 01:25 PM
Hubs on Troy's are The Edge aluminum hubs 4 on 156.
Mine are an old set of 4 on 4 that I just needed to get rid of.
Wheels are 12x6 4B 2N
The discs are 3/16" x 8 1/2" dia. mild steel, laser cut.

http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/withshocksandtires014.jpg

Careful posting them pics, A guy or 2 likes to take credit for something he hasn't done but copied...:D

K-fab
09-04-2009, 02:23 PM
Beautiful work, Rick.

RickS.
09-10-2009, 08:58 PM
Heard back today on the first testing of this front end.
Troy says the turning radius is much tighter than his other 2 Piranhas.
He said that slow turns on pavment were similar to a small car and he didn't even feel any pushing. Ackerman? With 1 1/2 turns lock to lock steering is smooth and easy, not twitchy.
A big improvement over the XRV and escort racks that were in the other cars.
Suspension was a little soft, but he was only running 200psi in the shocks. The pressure was set with the cars weight on the shocks. So they were possibly only around 175psi. He's going to add a bit more this weekend and do it at full droop. He did place an order for another front module and wants me to look into modifying my racks to fit the Barracuda.
All in all he's happy with it and sees no issues so far.
I'm still waiting for the CD with pics of the transplant.
He'll be taking this buggy up to LS in Oct.

RickS.
09-11-2009, 05:13 PM
More progress on my frame this week.
Nerf bars, radiator and seat mounts are done.
I'll be doing the dash and steering column brackets next. Then full weld what I've done so far.
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/frame010.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/frame008.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/frame006.jpg

BLUERACER
09-12-2009, 08:17 PM
Looking awesome Rick, show more, show more....

RickS.
09-12-2009, 09:31 PM
Not much more to show right now. Ran out of 75/25 this afternoon, so it will be Monday before I can finish welding. I'm also making a new longer set of lower a arms for the rear. These, plus custom boot flanges, should allow me to push the type 4 cvs to 28 degrees. This is my goal anyway. Hopefully I'll have a roller by next weekend.

BLUERACER
09-13-2009, 08:41 AM
Hoping to see it in action.

Wanting to know, will the front shock go vertical at full droop? You said that Troy mentioned that, you didn't fill the front pushing. Would you suppose that when turning left, the right front dips and the left rear would spin freely, so that wouldn't make it push? Thats just a thought, thats what my four wheeler does when turning.

The Kar Audio Guy
09-13-2009, 08:46 AM
great build. the "RS" front end looks sic!

RickS.
09-13-2009, 02:40 PM
Phil,
I don't know what you mean by the front shock going vertical at full droop.
The pics of this on my weld table show the shocks at full droop.
That's as close to vertical as they get.

As for the steering, it's just that this buggy has proper Ackerman and the front is wider than a standard Piranha. I'm sure it's still trying to push. It's just not as noticeable as before. There is no way the buggy is lifting a rear tire in a slow turn. These things are way to heavy in the rear and there's no way to shift your body weight to help out. (like on your quad.)

BLUERACER
09-13-2009, 07:36 PM
My terminolgy is backwards, I meant that when the shock is compressed would it be vertical? I was just wondering, no big deal. I'd tried moving around on my qaud, and your right as long as I lean into it it would turn shorter.

Hey have you thought of designing that same front for the cuda? Give some thought to it, let me know what you think; looks to me it will do just fine toss it around.

RickS.
09-13-2009, 08:15 PM
Thought about it, but everyone's happy with the Barracuda's front geometry. At least now that they seem to be getting the bugs worked out.
My plan is to put my front and rear designs into a completely new chassis.
Might even be a 2 seater. Not sure though.

RickS.
09-13-2009, 08:27 PM
Troy did some more testing on the front end today. He's got the shocks set at 225psi and says this is where he likes it. Ran it up to 86mph and everything was smooth and predictable. It flies over washouts that he had to slow down for with the other set up. He's not into jumping, but has not come close to bottoming it out.
He'll have a new Barracuda in Oct. so I'll be anxious to see how the two
designs compare.

El Toro
09-15-2009, 10:24 PM
RickS,
Beautiful work what is the wheel to wheel measurement? I sent you a PM.
Thanks
Spencer

RickS.
09-16-2009, 06:25 AM
Track width at ride height is approx. 63" (center of tire to center of tire)

Is this what you're asking?

Ride height........Outside of tire to outside of tire = 70 3/4"
Full droop.........Outside of tire to outside of tire = 68 1/2"
Full compression...Outside of tire to outside of tire = 73 1/2"

kawonda
09-17-2009, 07:13 PM
Looks awesome. What color scheme are you going with?

RickS.
09-17-2009, 09:31 PM
Not sure on the color yet.
I let Steve of Magnum Powdercoat in Grand Rapids, MI pick out the color for my last buggy. I may just listen to him again.

wyattboche
09-18-2009, 09:45 AM
Rick what motor you runing in this piranha?

RickS.
09-18-2009, 08:53 PM
Gsxr 1000

Wayneski
09-20-2009, 04:46 PM
Did it first on CAD, huh? I'm doing the same thing, starting in CAD first (I'm running Autodesk 2007 but can export to anything). Any chance you want to share your .dwg's (you could PM me, I'm in Denver.) I will reciprocate with my CAD drawings of what I'm doing as I get more components finalized.

I'm designing big-travel front end too but 4WD... and it's a challenge. I won't have as much travel as yours; yours is truly a work of art. Mine will have tall skinny tires to boot.. made for (1) real speed over nasty sizable rocks and (2) rock crawling (1st gear, low side = 61:1). About 1100 lbs hopefully.

That front hub is elegant... ain't nuttin in there that's not needed. I'll be interested to know how it tests.

Deranged
09-23-2009, 10:33 AM
Hey Rick, if you are not happy with your powdercoater, or you just want to try someone different we powdercoat here where I work, and I have a feeling I could beat his price up quite a bit. We are in Dutton, just 10 min. south of Grand Rapids. If you want more info, just send me a pm. Our oven is HUGE by the way.

Justin.

RickS.
09-23-2009, 12:32 PM
I was real happy with the price and quality of Magnum's work.
He's got a ton of experience with candy type coatings on buggies. They first coat with a silver base, bake that, then apply color and bake again. Then clear and back into the oven for a third time. I only paid $80 for front and rear a arms plus skids and suspension rods, all in mirror black. I think the candy red frame was only like $350. This was about 4 yrs ago. I dropped the frame off on a Friday afternoon and picked it up Saturday at noon.

BLUERACER
09-23-2009, 05:03 PM
Rick, what color do you think he has in mind for this one? Looking cool buddy, can't wait to see your GSXR 1000 in place. Looks like I'm not going to be powder coating small budget for these guys, I may stick with just building two buggies instead of what I had planned. Keep up the good work.

RickS.
09-23-2009, 07:25 PM
Grand Rapids, MI is about 2hrs from me, I'll most likely pick out the color the day I drop it off. I've got a few months before I'm to that point anyway.

TutTech
09-24-2009, 08:22 AM
Wow the before and after pics are really what sells the entire package to me.
I looked at your quality and work and was impressed but now after seeing a before and after
of how much ground clearance and wheel travel you picked up I am blown away!
Great job. Please Keep us posted on your car as I can not wait to see yours with the back done.

[smilie=thumbs_up.g:

RickS.
09-24-2009, 09:39 AM
Thanks, I was surprised at the difference too. This has forced me to make a new set of lower rear a arms. I'll be attempting to get 28 degrees out of the type 4 cv's. I was able to get 28 without binding or clicking using a custom set of boot flanges and race preped cv's. This was on my bench assembled new rear design. The new longer lower arms will force the cvs' to ride outboard on the axle. Plunge is less than 1/8" on this design. The cv will plunge just shy of it's max. outboard position at full droop.
If this doesn't raise me up enough, then I'm thinking about going to the
F150 cv's that Livewire has talked about. I was over at his shop a few weeks back and saw a set. They could go like 45 degrees, but just about no plunge ability.
I'm thinking about designing a rear with no plunge. I'm not a fan of plunging on the splines either.

LiveWire
09-24-2009, 11:55 AM
I have figured some other things out as well since then. I have come up with an economical way of making a roller plunge axle. I am making a couple pair to run on mine and someone else's Formula Crosses to test them out. They will use smaller CVs than the F150 ones though which are overkill. These axles will handle 45 degree and up to a couple inches of plunge through a separate set roller of rollers.

RickS.
09-24-2009, 02:09 PM
Can the 45 degree cv's handle any plunge? I know I can keep plunge to less than 1/16 without a problem. I'd like to stop by again and see what you have.

Gene
09-24-2009, 08:05 PM
Very interesting. I'd like to know more about the design LiveWire!

LiveWire
09-28-2009, 09:33 AM
Can the 45 degree cv's handle any plunge? I know I can keep plunge to less than 1/16 without a problem. I'd like to stop by again and see what you have.

On the new axle I am making, the CVs will not have to handle any plunge. It will all be handled in a separate section of the shaft similar to using a slip spline, but using needle bearing rollers to transfer the power.


Very interesting. I'd like to know more about the design LiveWire!

The slip section will end up larger in diameter than a typical slip spline. In fact, the boot of the slip spline will be a CV boot. Where the roller slip splines I have seen were fairly long, the power transfer section of mine will be short. So I don't think they will be that much heavier. The length is required to prevent the spline from cocking. Instead, I will have a delrin bushing spaced away from the power transmitting section. Not only does dry delrin have great wear characteristics, this one will be running sealed by the boot and greased. The shaft from the outer CV to the slip spline is off the shelf reducing costs there. Plus since the slip spline is separate from the shaft itself, it is replaceable. The bearings are enclosed, not open. The outer shell is what rides on the the portion that drives them. This means replacing the bearings should tighten everything up when worn with out replacing the custom parts. I have have a pile of axles I have bought to find various lengths with the spline count and size I need. I can make the setup from very short to very long with many different choice of lengths in between. I am fairly sure I can make a version that uses standard 930 28 spline shafts as well to use an F-150 outer joint. The inner could be a RCV fixed 930 or I have come up with a way of modifying an F-150 outer to make an equivalent part for less money. After I thrash on the smaller ones on my own car, I'll find someone with high power car to test the bigger ones. I am pretty good at thrashing axles. I find it fun to be going wide open, locking up the brakes, twitching the wheel to spin the car around then going from brake to throttle while still sliding backwards.

Gene
09-28-2009, 10:14 AM
So these are different than K-Fabs last FWD axle setup that used ball bearings if I remember correctly. Haven't heard much about those but it seemd unsatisfactory overall.

This could be a good Gen 2 for my first car so I can get away from splined shafts - should they become a problem.

claya2
09-29-2009, 08:17 PM
This design looks like it frees up a lot of leg room up front. If I was to use this design would it allow me to move my pedals far enough forward that I would not have to extend my cockpit? I am 6'2" and about 220lbs.

RickS.
09-29-2009, 10:39 PM
It does move the pedals 2 1/2" forward. But at 6'2" I would still extend the frame at least 6". I extend mine 2" in the cockpit and 4" in the engine bay. I'm 5'11" with long legs. I did fit perfect in my 6" extended 954 Piranha. With this new front end I have more than enough room.
The big fours and v twins do need the extra room in the engine bay.

rgvkid
09-30-2009, 02:01 AM
Great front end! Will you have Plans to sell for DIY?

RickS.
09-30-2009, 05:36 AM
Yes I do.

Hitt99
09-30-2009, 09:38 AM
Is it just the plans for the front end or for the whole buggy? I have not bought any plans yet, just trying to find the best way to go before spending any money.

claya2
09-30-2009, 10:47 AM
Thanks for the replies. The reason I am asking is because I am redrawing the plans out with the extended frame in autocad 2008. Figured I could over come some issues in autocad easier than when in the middle of a build. However, I did not think to extend the engine bay. I think I will probably follow what Rick did with his.

RickS.
09-30-2009, 11:24 AM
Is it just the plans for the front end or for the whole buggy? I have not bought any plans yet, just trying to find the best way to go before spending any money.

Just the front for now. I have helped a few others with modified Piranha builds, but I don't have a 100 percent complete set of plans.
I am working on a set for this current buggy with the double a front and
the cv rear also.

RickS.
10-03-2009, 06:40 PM
Here are a few more pics of where I’m at with the new frame.
I’m getting 27 degrees out of the type 4 cv’s at full droop.
I was hoping to get more, but they began to click at 28.
Front is at full droop in the pics. The rear is a bit shy of full droop.
The internal spring in the Fox shock is keeping the rear up a little.
(no charge in the shocks)
The rear shocks will be a little longer than the ones I’m using here.
I borrowed these from the RC51 build for now.
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/roller001.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/roller003.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/roller009.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/roller006.jpg

TutTech
10-04-2009, 03:11 AM
Wow super nice! ;):D
I like the awesome look and improvements you have made into building your own frame
and design over the original version. Super nice.

I see you stayed with the cvs. Cool.
You said you only went about 27 degrees.. and I think that is great. I only run mine at 26. They are race prepped etc. and I have never gone through any cvs. which is awesome with racing. I am probably loosing a 1/4 inch of travel but have gained longevity. So it is worth it. ;)

So what is the wheel travel going to be? Looks like it is going to be a major improvement.

This is probably because of the camera angle but you said you will get a little more droop out of it when you put on the shocks for it. So in the pic it looks like your cv is almost going to make contact with the bottom arm? Will this be a problem if you droop more? Or is it just the camera shot?

Man.. I really like this a lot. Well done and keep the info and photos coming.
Super nice and looks mean. I like it!
;)

RickS.
10-04-2009, 07:02 AM
Thanks Tut, I guess it's not really a Piranha anymore. I always liked the look of the Piranha. I had this idea about raising the bonnet up and the pedals forward. The Barracuda and XRV have the upswept nose, but I always thought they still looked like a wedge.
This has 18" front travel and 16" rear. These are type 4 cv's, so 27 degrees is really pushing it. A type 4 is normally 22 max.
I've got plenty of clearance on the cv and lower arm. The cv can actually drop down between the lower arms. If you look close at the pic you can see where I bent the forward lower arm to gain clearance. There's a paint mark at the tangent of the bend.

BLUERACER
10-04-2009, 08:20 AM
Rick, looking awsome, will it jump the moon? LOL:) With that much travel I can't see why not. You da man, keep up the good work and build me one to HAHAHA.[smilie=ecstatic.gi: No but I would like a set of the plans when your done drawing them up. So get busy!!! hurrying up:D:D... My son and I have made alot of progress on our two buggies, working on some pics to send. Trying to down load some pics on my computer need help posting[smilie=bs_help.gif]them, I'll let you or someone show me how. When I can figure out how it all works, I'd like to show our buggies off.

Deranged
10-05-2009, 07:42 PM
Heck, I just barley got my first build going, and now I want to build one of these single seaters!!! Very nice craftsmanship!!

RickS.
10-06-2009, 06:27 PM
And of course the double a rear just wouldn't be complete without these.
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/linkrods005.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/linkrods003.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/linkrods007.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/linkrods004.jpg

BLUERACER
10-06-2009, 06:53 PM
Rick buddy, you did realy changed alot on this buggy, so cool.

lumberjack
10-06-2009, 07:11 PM
Rake's movement is linear, the rod's is circular, what keeps that from binding?

RickS.
10-06-2009, 08:05 PM
There is a sweet spot with any double a geometry. The trick is placing the rod pivots in the right location. The a arm movement is also circular.
As the arms move up they are moving outward. They create the bottom of the cone shaped arc that the rod is following.

Bugpac
10-06-2009, 08:06 PM
Rake's movement is linear, the rod's is circular, what keeps that from binding?

You the search button, It has been discussed at least 20 x... :) And for the record, it isn't raked in the rear...

RickS.
10-07-2009, 01:25 PM
Well as of today it's a roller. Im real happy with the ground clearance and angle of the chassis. This sits 2" higher than a Barracuda. It's actually got more ground clearance than my truck. The motor is going in next.
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/rollingchassis007.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/rollingchassis003.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/rollingchassis011.jpg

odypilots
10-07-2009, 02:24 PM
I've been hoping you'd get it done in time for a run to Silver Lake. :( It's looking great!

BLUERACER
10-07-2009, 04:58 PM
Rick you over done your self again, that it is so sweet. I've got to have 1 how much for the plans?

Bugpac
10-07-2009, 05:08 PM
Hey, it looks like the front shock mounts wont bottom 2" below the frame like the cuda either, Cudos Rick, Looks greatt...

RickS.
10-07-2009, 05:34 PM
I've been hoping you'd get it done in time for a run to Silver Lake. :( It's looking great!

I Wish I could have at least finished one of these this year.
I'm shooting for this spring to have both complete though.
Might be a run up to the UP. I don't have any paddles and I need a reason to check on the place up there anyway.
Check this out on one of the two tracks where we ride in Newberry.
How would you like to come up on this in a buggy.
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/Moose001.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/Moose002.jpg

sodman
10-07-2009, 05:50 PM
Wow killer moose a buggy would damn near fit under that thing or at least before you got your hands on the front and rear suspenision. Impressive improvements on the edge design god I've got to get me one of those. I'ts friggen work of art Rick nice job
Later Sodman

daaboots
10-08-2009, 09:00 AM
Great looking buggy! This is pretty much exactly what I would like to build for my next buggy.

Oh, that moose is huge!! Wouldn't want to run into that on the trails!

RickS.
10-08-2009, 10:42 AM
I'm hoping there will be some intrest in this design. I'm working on a complete set of plans for this along with some minor improvements too.

Reflex
10-08-2009, 03:08 PM
Rick,
Love the design, should perform great.
What is the wheelbase?

RickS.
10-08-2009, 03:32 PM
86.5" wheel base.
60.5" track width front and rear at full droop.

Bugpac
10-09-2009, 05:38 PM
I Wish I could have at least finished one of these this year.
I'm shooting for this spring to have both complete though.
Might be a run up to the UP. I don't have any paddles and I need a reason to check on the place up there anyway.
Check this out on one of the two tracks where we ride in Newberry.
How would you like to come up on this in a buggy.
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/Moose001.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/Moose002.jpg

Hey Rick, This might pucker up the backdoor a bit more than the moose....

You just never know whats down there...
http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r28/Stumpknocker/BigoGator002.jpg

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r28/Stumpknocker/BigoGator078.jpg

RickS.
10-10-2009, 03:31 PM
That's just a speed bump.

claya2
10-10-2009, 08:35 PM
Where I come from that is just roadkill / campfire food. :D

RickS.
11-06-2009, 02:51 PM
I haven't made any progress on the buggy, but I do have the plans for this front 90 percent complete. About 75 pages broken down into eight sections.
Here is section one and page one of section 6 which shows a good view of the geometry. Each section will also have a zip file with pictures.
Let me know what you guys think of this layout for plans. It's not 3D but it should be easy enough to follow.

Gene
11-06-2009, 06:46 PM
Very nice. This should be a good set of plans.

BLUERACER
11-06-2009, 08:34 PM
Rick, your making it to easy I've got to have one, but first I need a job lost mine today. This is a big set back on me building any thing... That front end is looking good!!![smilie=sign_l33t.g: Keep up the good work.

wyattboche
11-07-2009, 12:52 PM
I'm hoping there will be some intrest in this design. I'm working on a complete set of plans for this along with some minor improvements too.
When will the plans be available? Anytime soon?

RickS.
11-07-2009, 01:59 PM
They are ready now. All that's left to do are parts lists.
The plans actually have all of the stock, purchased parts, and fasteners called out.
Parts list will just make purchasing stock and parts a bit easier than hunting for callouts on the drawings.

NFG
11-07-2009, 08:03 PM
hey rick are you going to draw a set of metric plans??

RickS.
11-07-2009, 11:55 PM
I'm not sure. Right now I don't have the time.

wyattboche
11-08-2009, 08:40 PM
What would the cost of the plans be?

RickS.
11-08-2009, 09:31 PM
$50

daaboots
11-12-2009, 07:33 AM
I thought you had a video of your new design in action?

daaboots
11-12-2009, 07:45 AM
$50

And how much to buy the complete front end module?

RickS.
11-12-2009, 10:10 AM
Hub to hub including shocks somewhere around 2800

I do have some video being sent to me from a customer. I don't know what it consists of though. The buggy with this front was at LS in Oct. Doug Heim was there shooting video, but I don't know if there was any footage taken of this in action. I was told by the customer that it jumped everything that Doug's Barracuda did. Doug delivered a Barracuda roller to this same customer that weekend. This customer has asked me about redesigning the Barracuda's front arms to be like mine and also incorporate my slower ratio steering rack. He has not driven his Barracuda yet, so his requests are only based on what he's seen. The Barracuda boasts good ground clearance, but the shock mounts hang low and actually plow sand when landing some jumps. This is what he noticed. He will have some real comparisons by late Dec. when his barracuda is up and running.

daaboots
11-13-2009, 09:58 AM
Cool. I'm thinking about building a piranha one of these days, and I really like the work you and Doug have done to these machines.

Doug Heim
11-13-2009, 04:36 PM
The video I have is of us very far in the distance which is too bad. I hoped to be able to use the footage in my next video. We didnt jump anywhere close to how high I was jumping at Silverlake. I think it would soak it up though. Not sure how airs alone work in comparisson to the C/O shocks when landing from a huge drop. friend of mine has a uda I built with Airs and he gets tossed around more than I.

This front end looks very clean and good. The lower arms on the Cuda do not hit the ground before the chassis as the tire diameter and arc that the lower arm travels on does not allow it. It does hang lower I agree! But Ive never scooped sand with them. The only reason the lower arm is constructed that way is for the shock mount. I like how Rick has designed this new front to move the shock mount further outboard to help with that. There are a # of improvments Rick did that should be more talked about.

If I were not so busy with others proects I would tackle a redesign on the Cuda myself. Rick has way more expierence on design and I like the layout and details of the plans he has available here.

Lastly I think te rack works OK and Troy did drive my Cuda and thought it to be just fine. I would like to see a slower rack in the Cuda and I know others do too. I am still in te development stage for that trying to locate off the shelf parts. will replicate the XRV rack with just a slower ratio.

Good luck with the plans sale. I think you will do very well!

RickS.
11-13-2009, 05:44 PM
The coilovers may do better, but maybe not. I believe that the wheel travel to shock stroke ratio is a little better with my new front. There is also more ground clearance to soak up the hit. Again these are Troy's observations comparing the two side by side.
He tells me that at full droop the new Piranha sits up higher than the Cuda. I also notice a huge camber gain on the Cuda. It's like -20 at full compression. Is this true? Seems a bit extreme.
With all of the problems you've had to correct it makes me question the overall design.

Doug Heim
11-13-2009, 07:50 PM
I agree with the shock placment that you bring up, and yes the progresive camber is huge. This is in all of Edges designs and they desigin it intentionally so when you land off camber, or expierience hard truning with body roll that it helps the stability of the car. I personally think it is too agressive so I agree! The Height of Troys car and my Cuda with the 27" tires at LS were the same. Yourgeometry does allow more droop. Id personally like to see this front adapted to the Cuda as well.

Doug Heim
11-13-2009, 08:05 PM
The overall design of the Cuda's front according to plans as a functon, sucks if your inexpierenced on how to correct it. Its not as simple as adjustment either to fix it either. I do like the overall design in the look of it though as wll as the Piranha. Another issue that is brought up alot is the view from in the cockpit. It was some getting used to for me but Im good with it now. If it was not so high I dont think its look would be as robust in the front. I personally like that about it.

RickS.
11-13-2009, 10:02 PM
Troy did say that the PIRCV rear seemed to handle the bumps better than his double a Piranha rear. This could be the coilovers here. I know you've had both rears, so what are your thoughts?

Doug Heim
11-14-2009, 09:43 AM
You can really tell the difference in the whoops. I never did jump the Piranha anywhere as much as the Cuda so I have nothing to compare it to. I should of driven Troys to get a real comparison of it.

The PIRCV has flaws as well if made exactly to plans. It does work great just built to plans but there are simple things tha can be done to improve it. First off, the big improvment is that the PIRCV uses bearings that do not use the stamped flanges. As you know, after time the center shaft will shift and cause misalignment of the chain in the older designs. I like the robust design of the PIRCV and nothing moves. I like the style of the chain tensioner even though there is not enough to do without a halflink, but Ive never needed that much adjustmnt with a good chain. I also like the 930 CVs as it is just a comfort thing. With the coil over shocks I have never bottomed the rear and I have put it through a ton! I like the adjustability of the C/O as well.

I am looking forward to hearing how the new rear you worked out will work as it will combine best of both worlds and be lighter.

RickS.
12-09-2009, 06:32 PM
I should probably start a new build thread for this buggy.
But these pedals and boxes do mount into the double a front module.
I also made another set with fox head pedals. Those I'm using on the RC51 build.
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/pedals009.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/pedals005.jpg
Throttle pedal box
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/pedals003.jpg

wyattboche
12-09-2009, 10:55 PM
Rick how much do you have left on this project before some run time?

ErwinBnl
12-10-2009, 03:20 AM
They look really awesome!:cool:

RickS.
12-10-2009, 03:36 AM
I'm not too far off. I'm shooting for May but that remains to be seen.
These things always seem to take twice as long as I think.
Cash is tight too since I haven't worked in over 6 months.
Plenty of time, but little cash. I'm thinking about selling the RC51 buggy if any one's interested. This is a complete roller with motor and everything to make it run. I may post this in a new thread as soon as I finish it's fuel tank and pedal boxes. I hate to do it, but it sure would help to finish up on this new buggy.

wyattboche
12-11-2009, 12:23 PM
Ya I have been laid off since March. It sucks you have time and have no money. Then when you get a job you have no time and have money.

RickS.
01-01-2010, 01:54 PM
A little more progress on this build. The motor is in and shift linkage is done. Fuel tank is ready for weld. Getting close. The tank is 1/16 stainless, I'm guessing between 5 and 6 gal. Exhaust will be next.
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/tank003.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/tank005.jpg
GSXR pump mount
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/tank006.jpg
Lower tank mounts
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/tank009.jpg

Doug Heim
01-01-2010, 06:25 PM
Looks good Rick, The bosses are for tapping and mounting of the tank I take it? I like the channels and weight reduction on the flange ring. Top quality as always! Great look on the pedals as well!

The Kar Audio Guy
01-01-2010, 07:19 PM
Rick as always you work is pro! Is there any other reason you are using SS vs. Alum? Other than it being easier to weld, I would think aluminum would be lighter...

Doug Heim
01-01-2010, 09:41 PM
Aluminum also breaks easier in the "tank" application if not mounted correctly.

RickS.
01-02-2010, 08:08 AM
Yep, easier to weld and a stronger tank in the end. Plus I had a sheet of stainless left over from another project.
An aluminum tank would be lighter, but not much. Aluminum is around 1/3 the weight of steel, but it would be twice the thickness. So a weight savings here of 31%. Probably would have been about 5 lb lighter in aluminum.

RickS.
01-13-2010, 05:17 PM
A few pics of the floor and dash.
I'll also be mounting the gsxr ignition into the dash. The dash side plates will get welded too. It's getting close now.
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/floor.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/dash016.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/dash015.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/dash001.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/dash011.jpg

minibajaman
01-13-2010, 05:19 PM
Looking good Rick. Where did you get those mirrors? I need some for my buggy.

RickS.
01-13-2010, 06:01 PM
Got the mirrors are on ebay here:SIDE MIRROR CBR VTR GSXR SV650 NINJA ZX6R ZX10R R1 R6:eBay Motors (item 350304092242 end time Jan-18-10 15:42:11 PST) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SIDE-MIRROR-CBR-VTR-GSXR-SV650-NINJA-ZX6R-ZX10R-R1-R6_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem518fc04052QQitemZ350 304092242QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)
If interested I have weld on mounts for these too. $25 for the mounts with stainless steel fasteners.

minibajaman
01-13-2010, 10:46 PM
Hmm, cheap enough so I wouldn't care if they got broken, that's good! Do they hold their position well when riding really rough terrain? Are those mounts for 1.25" or 1.5" OD tubing?

RickS.
01-14-2010, 04:39 AM
I've never had a problem with them holding. The tension on the base pivot is adjustable. Mounts are notched for 1 1/4 tubing, but they easily set on any larger diameter.

wildcatkit52
01-24-2010, 06:57 PM
Nice work! I am gonna have to watch this!

RickS.
01-25-2010, 08:10 AM
The fuel tank is now complete and mounted. Pressure tested with zero leaks on the first try. Moving on to the exhaust next.
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/DSC06410.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/DSC06403.jpg

sodman
01-26-2010, 05:30 AM
WOW Rick nice work on this project your attention to detail is remarkable any estimated time for startup. It should be a real head turner when its completed any word on when the plans could be available . Test runs before paint ? can't wait to see it in color
Later Sodman

RickS.
01-26-2010, 08:09 AM
It's still a ways off for start up. I'll tear it all down and powder coat before testing. No idea on a color yet. I haven't done much on the plans lately. I want to widen the rear rollbar at the hip rail and also narrow the lower frame in front.

RickS.
02-17-2010, 06:32 PM
Little by litle it's getting done. Mounted radiator and nailed down the rear shock mounts today. Also added some stainless bling to the dash.
Dash will be powdercoated flat black with the red R and silver GSX.
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/bling.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/tanknrad.jpg

wildcatkit52
02-17-2010, 06:47 PM
Nice Rick. Maybe as soon as I get a little time free from the flight line, house buying, truck tranny replacing, replacing my car's new wheels after ramping a pine tree a few weeks ago on a rainy night, and purchasing a new home heat pump, I will get a chance to call and talk to you about things.

I can't wait to see this one completed!

BLUERACER
02-18-2010, 04:22 PM
Rick, that's looking sweet. You don't know how jealous I am of it! I hope mine look's half as good as yours. My boy and I really like the name idea, on the dash. How about putting it on the fuel tank? Well I just gotta say its lookin good and dont be suprised that the next time I come up, its missing. lol[smilie=sign_l33t.g:

wildcatkit52
02-18-2010, 06:04 PM
...dont be suprised that the next time I come up, its missing. lol[smilie=sign_l33t.g:

[smilie=gun_chair.g:That isn't funny!

BLUERACER
02-20-2010, 10:54 AM
Yea, I know what happened to the one he sold, it come up missing. I do love his work, I'm looking to come up to visit this summer and checking it out though[smilie=sign_l33t.g:

wildcatkit52
02-20-2010, 04:14 PM
Well if you do find a way to snag it up, feel free to bring it to me to replace the old one (Otherwise I am gonna have to pay him for another one!)

BLUERACER
02-21-2010, 02:45 PM
That's one thing for sure you wont go wrong on get one from him!

If I had 14 grand I'll just do that, but after I get one me first[smilie=sign_l33t.g: I would love to finish mine, before I buy any thing else.

Bugpac
02-21-2010, 02:55 PM
I'll have one myself in 2011... :)

wildcatkit52
02-21-2010, 03:02 PM
That's one thing for sure you wont go wrong on get one from him!

If I had 14 grand I'll just do that, but after I get one me first[smilie=sign_l33t.g: I would love to finish mine, before I buy any thing else.

Agreed. The 954 was great in almost every area. The front end was in serious need for refinement but that looks to be a thing of the past with his new ones doesn't it?

The only other thing I had an issue with on his first attempt was the gearing and the go pedal spring... I added another spring to stiffen that up. The gearing was too high for the high revving engine. I could race quads and would get beaten in a short distance because I hadn't even gotten traction yet! (usually)

BLUERACER
02-21-2010, 03:03 PM
Rick, those shock covers (boots)??? where did you get them and how did you mount them? And how much?

BLUERACER
02-21-2010, 03:11 PM
Thats why I started to build the second one he built because he took care of all lot those problems on the front end, but if I'd know in time he was working on this one I'd started this double a front build in stead.

RickS.
02-21-2010, 08:18 PM
Hey Kit, How would you have geared it? I started with 13/60 which was way too short. I thought 14/60 was nice. With all that power it lights them up easy either way.

RickS.
02-21-2010, 08:35 PM
The shock boots are Dennis Kirk Daystar 69 series fork boots.
I think around 25 or 30 a pair. They fit the Fox 2.0's perfect.
I just made some two piece aluminum clamp on collars to hold them on at the bottom. With these you can just clamp them on without removing the shock eye. You loose 1/2" of shock travel though. Not a big deal because I usually end up short stroking with a spacer anyway.
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/bootmt.jpg

wildcatkit52
02-21-2010, 10:49 PM
Rick I would have gone to a 13 for sure and likely a little more on the rear also... As it was I could scream down the highway at WAY faster speeds than it needed to be going anyway and still could have pulled it faster with shorter gears.

I didn't get the chance to play with it much to see what would work best. That was actually why it was still on the trailer under the car port rather than locked in my building... I left it on the trailer so I could mess with it easier.

The gears were too tall in the sand. Bringing them closer together would keep the engine in the power better.

Also if you gear it so that you don't need first you will not have issues with the one/two shift!(or damage from such shifts)

We race all our two stroke quads from second...

13/62 to 65 or even up to 70 depending on the exact motor size and type would be what I would have been playing with to see what would work best. Sadly I didn't get the chance to see what worked best with that engine on that buggy with those tires...

I like the idea of a really low first for creeping around with also. No more jumpy behavior trolling around camping areas and such.

RickS.
02-22-2010, 04:44 AM
I think if you would have tried 13/60 you'd have gone back to 14/60.
True with 13/60 I was able to start out in 2nd, but the gears were too close and I was always looking for a 7th gear, even at the dunes.
I do prefer road riding to dunes though. On the UP's trails I like being able to cruise 60-70 in the upper gears without the motor really reving.

wyattboche
02-23-2010, 08:33 AM
Rick, are you selling kits and or plans for the double AArm? How much for the kit and plans?

RickS.
02-23-2010, 09:33 AM
pm sent.

wildcatkit52
02-23-2010, 06:35 PM
I tried TWICE to reply so far with no luck... If it goes this time I'll be slightly less unhappy!

Anyway, the first one was rather long talking about the gearing and such. I may try to post it tomorrow if I get a chance and/or I will try to call you on Saturday if I am not studying all day!

daaboots
02-24-2010, 10:28 AM
What kind of brake caliper are you using?

RickS.
02-24-2010, 11:04 AM
Wilwood PS1
RH part no. 120-8373
LH part no. 120-8374

RickS.
03-25-2010, 07:56 PM
Well I finally decided to put the time in and learn Solidworks.
Started messing with the tutorials about 2 weeks ago.
Now I've got the modeling part down pretty well. Probably picking up some bad habits and doing things the hard way. I'll be taking classes in a few weeks so I can learn more then. I'm starting with the frame. Drawing individual part files and bringing them into an assembly.
It's been a good checking tool for my the Autocad drawings.
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/doublea2.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/doublea.jpg

Bugpac
03-25-2010, 08:15 PM
Well I finally decided to put the time in and learn Solidworks.
Started messing with the tutorials about 2 weeks ago.
Now I've got the modeling part down pretty well. Probably picking up some bad habits and doing things the hard way. I'll be taking classes in a few weeks so I can learn more then. I'm starting with the frame. Drawing individual part files and bringing them into an assembly.
It's been a good checking tool for my the Autocad drawings.
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/doublea2.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/doublea.jpg


Looking good, want a task put roboshad in 3d and add some width to it like the original :)

TutTech
03-26-2010, 08:11 AM
Wow thats only 2 weeks.. sheesh your doing great!
Looks really good to me. I can't draw a stick figure and just figured out posting online maybe 2 years ago at best... :D

I really like your work Rick and how well your buggy has improved.. Very cool.
;):)

wyattboche
03-26-2010, 08:38 AM
Are you going to incorporate the solidwork files into your plans? Would make it alittle easier to follow on the plans.

daaboots
03-26-2010, 10:25 AM
Looks great! A few more close-ups of the front end would be nice ;)

nitris223
03-26-2010, 10:33 AM
Rick are you designing full buggy plans for sale , not just the front and rear suspension components. Any idea of what you dould sell them for.

RickS.
03-26-2010, 03:20 PM
Wow thats only 2 weeks.. sheesh your doing great!
Looks really good to me. I can't draw a stick figure and just figured out posting online maybe 2 years ago at best... :D

I really like your work Rick and how well your buggy has improved.. Very cool.
;):)

Thanks, I've been designing with Autocad for 13 years and have UG modeling experience too. That along with 17 years old school design (drawing board) really helps a lot.

RickS.
03-26-2010, 03:37 PM
Are you going to incorporate the solidwork files into your plans? Would make it alittle easier to follow on the plans.

At some point I'd like to do that. I still need to learn the detailing portion of Solidworks. For now I can send you a jpg. file of any area I've modeled so far. That goes for anyone that's purchased these from me.

RickS.
03-26-2010, 03:43 PM
Rick are you designing full buggy plans for sale , not just the front and rear suspension components. Any idea of what you dould sell them for.

I will eventualy do a full set of plans. They won't be available for quite a while though. I wish I could give you a date, but these things take a lot of time. For now I only have the double a front.

wyattboche
03-31-2010, 10:51 AM
At some point I'd like to do that. I still need to learn the detailing portion of Solidworks. For now I can send you a jpg. file of any area I've modeled so far. That goes for anyone that's purchased these from me.

That would be sweet. Thanks Rick :)

bamabuggy
03-31-2010, 08:34 PM
hey rick do you sell the peddle boxes with the punisher scull's

fred

RickS.
03-31-2010, 09:45 PM
No, but I do have just the skulls if you want to make your own.

RickS.
04-01-2010, 11:51 AM
Here are a few shots of the suspension cycled in Solidworks.
I have to say I'm totaly impressed with what this program is capable of.
I've got it all mated up so I can cycle the suspension completely.
I can even cycle the steering. The file is large, but my computer seems to be handling it well.
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/doubleaiso.jpg
Full bump and droop
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/doubleacyc.jpg
Full steering lock
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/doubleatop.jpg

Binze
04-01-2010, 02:31 PM
Heims missing :D Very impressive, I wish I would know how to work with SW [smilie=alright.gif]

RickS.
04-01-2010, 04:52 PM
Yeah, I downloaded some today and came up with errors.
So I may have to model them myself. I need 5/8 and 3/4 male and 5/8 female if anyone has files to share. SW 007
I did go ahead and model the rod end balls and HMS.
Does anyone know if the download files are typically assemblys?
(with seperate ball and housing) I need the balls un-constrained? so they cycle in the model......I think.

Bullnerd
04-01-2010, 06:20 PM
I've gotten them from McMaster Carr without any problems.
Yup, ball and socket seperate.But i think you can seperate them yourself?Its been a while.

Nice work BTW

minibajaman
04-01-2010, 06:47 PM
Yep you can get the models from McMaster, or Aurora Bearing is my go-to choice since all the rod ends on my buggy are from there.

Yes the balls and housings need to be separate parts. I put the housings in my a-arm assemblies, and the balls in the frame or upright assembly.

RickS.
04-28-2010, 07:42 AM
Well after looking at a bunch of rod end downloads I ended up having to model them myself. Not one of the ones I looked at were accurate when it came to showing the chamfered edge on the housing. So basically if you want to check the limits of your set up in a model, the on line ends are junk.
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/75rodendjpg.jpg

RickS.
06-19-2010, 04:20 PM
I haven't had much time to work on this since returning to work. Today I pulled the 26" big horns and put on these 28" Mud lites. I'm hoping to find the time to finish this before Oct. As soon as I get my lights, panels and exhaust worked out I'll tear it down for powder coat. Having it powder coated will probably motivate me.
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/DSC06531.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/DSC06522.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/DSC06532.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/DSC06529.jpg

wildcatkit52
06-19-2010, 07:37 PM
Looks great. Can't wait to see what it looks like finished!

daaboots
06-21-2010, 06:23 AM
Looks great Rick! Did you ever get some video of the completed buggy with your front end?

RickS.
06-21-2010, 09:45 AM
The guy I built if for only sent me photos of the transplant.
He said there was video, but it was not in the files he sent me.
I guess I'll have to take my own when I'm done.

TutTech
06-21-2010, 09:55 AM
Wow looks great.
Very nice.

Looking forward to seeing some more from you and your projects.
Can't wait to see it fully done and see some pics of you out in it with all the changes you did or heck some video etc.

Keep us posted love to keep seeing all the progress you have made.
;):)

Bugpac
06-21-2010, 01:54 PM
Hurry up! So I can build one... :)

BLUERACER
06-24-2010, 08:45 PM
Rick, how close are you to having the plans ready to this buggy?

RickS.
06-24-2010, 09:26 PM
Real close but going back to work has put it on hold for right now.
I just need to detail the rear drive section.
I have the entire frame, front end, and nerfs completed.

Stomper
06-25-2010, 01:33 PM
Did I miss something, are you going to sell plans for the cuda with your mods or just for the plans of your mods. By the way Rick very inpressive work. If your plans are put together as nice as your work they will be sweet!

RickS.
06-25-2010, 06:26 PM
The buggy is not a Cuda or Piranha.
It is similar in construction to the Piranha and most definitely was inspired by the Piranha. This new buggy uses my 3rd rear end design and also my 3rd front design. The frame is also 3rd generation. The frame and rear that I detail in the plans will have a few more mods. too.
My front and rear ends can be transplanted to standard Piranha frames.
My rear ends can be transplanted to the Cudas and ST2's
Plans are dimensioned in inches and utilize inch size tubing and fasteners.
At some point I do want to build a new buggy probably a 2 seater with RPM box. This one will be nothing like the Piranha or Cuda.

RickS.
06-26-2010, 01:12 PM
I started work on the gsxr 1000 exhaust today and have run into a snag. I had planned on modifying the original header with some stainless bends. Cut it off on my band saw a while back and just assumed it was stainless. Took a grinder to it today and got white sparks. So now I find out it's titanium. Looks like I'll have to do a full custom exhaust or buy an aftermarket stainless header. Anyone have other ideas?

wildcatkit52
06-26-2010, 01:27 PM
You could always take the opportunity to improve your skills at titanium welding? LOL!

What year engine is it?

If I remember correctly, all the years of the 1000 had titanium but as the 1000 was born of the 750 you might look at using a 750 stock stainless header?

RickS.
06-26-2010, 03:09 PM
You could always take the opportunity to improve your skills at titanium welding? LOL!

What year engine is it?

If I remember correctly, all the years of the 1000 had titanium but as the 1000 was born of the 750 you might look at using a 750 stock stainless header?

Motor is an 01.
Already tried testing my welding skills on it. Not good results. From what I hear it should be welded in an argon flooded glove box. Even then I doubt it would weld to stainless.
I'll look into the 750 headers though.

wildcatkit52
06-26-2010, 03:29 PM
00 01 02 03 Suzuki Gsxr 750 Exhaust Headers Pipe Pipes: eBay Motors (item 220626601476 end time Jun-27-10 17:38:06 PDT) (http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/00-01-02-03-Suzuki-Gsxr-750-Exhaust-Headers-Pipe-Pipes-_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem335e5ec604QQitemZ22062 6601476QQptZMotorcyclesQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories)

daaboots
07-08-2010, 11:56 AM
86.5" wheel base.
60.5" track width front and rear at full droop.

Does the track width include the tires edge to edge? I'm making a trailer and I want to make sure it's big enough for any future buggies I build.

Thanks

RickS.
07-08-2010, 08:09 PM
Track width is center of tires. Overall rear width is about 76" at ride height. 73" at full droop. 28x12x12 tires
This is the rear. Front would be slightly narrower.

voodoochikin04
07-11-2010, 10:26 PM
i can offer a little experience with the header.. i have an 03 600gsxr. i bought an 03 750 staninless header and it fits like a glove. the gsxr forums told me that the header should also fit 01 to 03 1000cc also.. they couldnt garantee it, but they also couldnt garantee that the 750 would fit the 600. also the part numbers from the 600 to 750 header were different. visually the only difference i could find was a welded brace on the two middle pipes.. hope this helps rick. btw when i searched, i spelled gsxr wrong.. gxsr and found my header for $50 shipped with only 2 veiws on the auction.. :D

wildcatkit52
07-11-2010, 10:42 PM
All correct.

I'd give you a header but my extra one is the Stock 1000 titanium. If you find that you can use it let me know. I have the whole exhaust that was taken off my bike when new. If nothing else you could work on your titanium welding skills and use one for tubing to weld up the other!

RickS.
07-12-2010, 09:46 AM
Thanks guys,
I've been talking to a guy here at work that knows the gsxrs very well.
He also says the 00 thru 03 750 will fit.
Now I just need to find one in nice shape.

RickS.
07-24-2010, 01:49 PM
Well I bolted up an 03 750 header and it does fit. BUT, it has no clearance to the oil pan. It's right against the pan on both sides. I'd have been better off building the header from scratch.
I may try to mount the header to a rigid plate and force the first bends open a little. This will probably work and give it a little clearance.
If not I'll be fabbing up a new one.

RickS.
07-25-2010, 08:49 AM
Got the header to work by adding 15mm spacers onto the collectors.
I made the collector spacers using the titanium collectors from the original header. Cut them off and turned them down so they pilot into the
new header. Clearance around the pan is perfect now.
I'm headed up to Brampton Ontario's Chrysler plant for a few days. So I'm done till I get back. I have to babysit our fixtures lineside for 2 - 4 shifts. This is while they load doors onto the 2011 Challengers, Chargers, and 300's.
A boreing job, but I love those cars.

dirtreaper
07-26-2010, 10:57 AM
Im 10 minutes from Brampton..lol

RickS.
07-28-2010, 08:46 PM
I thought traffic over here was bad. Toronto is unbelievable. Went down to Yonge Street three nights in a row. What a cool place.
Got our door fixtures tuned in pretty well. A tough job when the line runs at 75 cars an hour. We make quick adjustments on breaks and whenever the line stops. These fixtures load the 2010 models too. Pilot 2011's were few and far between, but the few that do run through cause occasional delays. You don't want your tools to shut down the line. When it stops a crowd gathers real quick and things get very intense.

dirtreaper
07-29-2010, 06:12 AM
Im Glad you liked Toronto....lol its an awesome place other than the ass reaming of taxes that we pay..lol

RickS.
07-29-2010, 09:54 AM
Yeah, that's what I hear. Traffic backs up for a mile trying to cross back into the US at Sarnia. Canadians all headed over here to shop.

dirtreaper
07-31-2010, 02:13 PM
Our dollar is almost par and a lot of Canadians are taking advantage of it. IMO Not worth the wait and hassle at the border..lol

RickS.
08-17-2010, 06:09 PM
Getting real close to tearing this down for powdercoat. I just need to weld in exhaust support brackets and tabs for the panels. Here's a few pics of the latest progress. I used a Yamaha Raptor tail light. Flipped it upside down and made a new mounting. Next I'll make a hood to cover the clear lens and the ugly bracket. The headlights are 50W Laserstars. May not be all that bright, but I don't plan to ride a night much anyway. I also didn't want the large lights like I had on the last buggy.
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/Raptorlight.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/lights.jpg
Check out my Dog.
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/rear.jpg
The roll bar padding will all be covered with similar material as the seat cover.
Attached with velcro same as on the last buggy.
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/sideshot.jpg
Not sure if I like the panels, but I'm going with them anyway.
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/side.jpg

Glock n Ballz
08-17-2010, 06:19 PM
Dude, Thats good lookin' man.

Haha...yer dog was takin a shit...[smilie=rofl.gif]

sodman
08-17-2010, 06:28 PM
Rick It's a fine looking piece of art and enginering nice looking buggy as well any choices on the color yet .
I'm still interrested when ever the plans become available
It's funny how things get in front of the camera lens
Impressive work
Blair

nutnbolt2002
08-17-2010, 07:22 PM
Looks real good, not sure on the pushed up mid tube.

RickS.
08-17-2010, 09:28 PM
Rick It's a fine looking piece of art and enginering nice looking buggy as well any choices on the color yet .
I'm still interrested when ever the plans become available
It's funny how things get in front of the camera lens
Impressive work
Blair

Still not sure on a color. I need to see what all's available. It will probably be a candy coating though.

I hope to finish up the plans before years end. I have 2 weeks vacation to use. I hope to finish them up then.

RickS.
08-17-2010, 09:42 PM
Looks real good, not sure on the pushed up mid tube.

I need to take some pics of this beside my other Piranha.
It looks tiny parked next to this. Even though the frames are the same length, the pushed up front and added height in the rear make this look aggressive and large next to the other buggy.
I did push the front up as well as the rear. I raised the rear up so that large motors could be slid in from the side, instead of through the cockpit.

dirtreaper
08-18-2010, 05:58 AM
Its looking awesome, cant wait to see it painted.

wildcatkit52
08-18-2010, 10:44 PM
Looks real good, not sure on the pushed up mid tube.

Something like this? go me and 2 minutes with paint!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v325/wildcatkit52/Piranha/sideleveled.jpg

RickS.
10-02-2010, 06:17 PM
Made up a new shroud with an oil cooler mount. Also been working on another front end for Troy. Decided to build 3 extra sets of everything so I've been pretty busy. Had a buddy of mine tig weld all of the suspension stuff.
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/Coolershroud.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/Tigarm.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/Tigtoparm.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Piranha%20Double%20A%20Front%20Module/Tig.jpg

RickS.
10-04-2010, 09:44 PM
Here is a short video of the front end on Troy's RC51 Piranha.
Watch his Busa Cuda going into the corners.

YouTube - MOV02906 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuepdu2hYJg)

dirtreaper
10-05-2010, 06:27 AM
Nice work Rick!!!

wyattboche
10-07-2010, 11:32 PM
Rick, It never gets old looking at your fine craftmanship.

6x6TRex
11-01-2010, 08:12 PM
I need to take some pics of this beside my other Piranha.
It looks tiny parked next to this.
It looks like a go-kart next to it! The panels look good on it also. Can't wait to see it finished, keep up the good work!

Bullnerd
11-01-2010, 08:23 PM
interesting

RickS.
11-01-2010, 10:09 PM
I guess the Cuda has multiple shock mounts on the front arms. Troy tells that he's moved the shocks out to the outboard setting and also cranked up the spring pressure. It's better now, but still has a serious negative camber curve. You can really see it in that frozen screenshot. That's actually how it's designed. At full bump it goes over -20 degrees.

Doug Heim
11-27-2010, 04:49 PM
Looks real good Rick. Cant wait to meet up with you at SL next spring. I should have my new Busa Cuda done then. Ive made a tone of more changes to the front since Troys Cuda. Your right there is wayyy too much progressive camber in the original, Cuda design. How much is in your newest revision?

RickS.
11-27-2010, 06:29 PM
I should be ready for a spring trip to SL. I'll be posting a few more pix. with the panels on. then I'm tearing this down for powdercoat.

Front is 18" travel. Camber is zero full droop through the first 3" of travel. It then climbs to -7 at full bump.

bamabuggy
11-28-2010, 06:27 PM
hey rick the hubs on this build is this what we talked about :)

RickS.
11-29-2010, 09:56 AM
hey rick the hubs on this build is this what we talked about :)

No, I have a new design.

RickS.
12-30-2010, 07:22 PM
Well it's been a busy week. Started tearing the buggy down for powdercoat Christmas eve. Spent about 25 hrs. getting everything cleaned up. Dropped it all off yesterday morning and picked it up 11am today.
Here are a few shots.
Blue over chrome. Chrome arms and pedals, matte black skids, pedal boxes and misc. parts. 5 coats of powder on the frame. Need sun to really do it justice. I'll be starting a new thread on this build. Since this really isn't a Piranha. This thread was started when I designed and built the front prototype for Troy's Piranha.
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Frame-1.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/ElecBox.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Rearhsg.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Nerfs.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Arms.jpg
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo76/Krasch_Design/Pedals.jpg

Glock n Ballz
12-30-2010, 07:31 PM
Bam!!!

Talk about kickin' it up a notch!!! THAT LOOKS AWESOME!!!!!
[smilie=rockout3.gi:[smilie=bow.gif][smilie=rockout3.gi:[smilie=bow.gif]


Man I may have to get that blue instead of black. Holy Shit Rick that's a sexy bitch.

Bullnerd
12-30-2010, 08:02 PM
Beautiful job Rick!

Did I mention I love your shop!

wildcatkit52
12-30-2010, 08:28 PM
[smilie=shocker.gif]
[smilie=cry.gif]

How much you gonna charge me for this one? LOL! I guess I better start selling some other toys and saving money since I can't seem to get things worked out so that I have time to contemplate building my own anytime in the next few years!

leok
12-30-2010, 09:32 PM
Wow Rick, I really like the colors. I need to come by some time and see your work first hand.

Leo

The Kar Audio Guy
12-30-2010, 09:59 PM
mini buggy porn!! nice work Rick

RickS.
12-30-2010, 10:40 PM
Hey thanks guys. I'm real pleased with the powder coat job. Was a little nervous about the chrome arms..... Until I saw em finished. I picked out the colors when I dropped it off. Now I wish I'd done more in the chrome.
The Spindle and rear uprights are also matte black.
I'm thinking about all matte black and chrome on the RC51 Piranha.

Leo, Stop out any time.

Kit, I might keep this one a little while. One season at least.

leok
12-30-2010, 11:16 PM
Rick,
PM me a phone and address. I'm just kickin' around the shop for the next few days. I'll see if I can put the tools down long enough to come up your way.

Leo

TutTech
12-31-2010, 10:34 AM
It's really beautiful Rick.. super sweet. The blue with the chrome is sharp.

Looking forward to seeing some more pics of it put together so we can see it fully so we can appreciate how well it turned out completed.

Keep up the outstanding work you.
:)

RickS.
12-31-2010, 05:10 PM
Thanks Tut, I'm watching your build also. Nice work.

leok
01-01-2011, 07:41 PM
Rick,

Thanks for the tour of your shop. Very nice. First class. It's not too often I meet someone that leaves me wanting more and bigger toys. :D
Your workmanship on your buggies is fantastic. The powder coat is real eye candy!

Stop by whenever you would like.

Leo

RickS.
01-02-2011, 07:29 AM
Leo,
It was good having you out. PM me your phone and address.
Rick

ErwinBnl
01-02-2011, 04:51 PM
Wow that looks damn good![smilie=ecstatic.gi: I really love the blue color of the frame.. really great! :D
Can't wait to see more pictures of it

dirtreaper
01-02-2011, 08:04 PM
Great choice on the colours. Very clean work, you can tell in the finished frame that you enjoyed your work! I cant wait to see more

6x6TRex
01-02-2011, 10:43 PM
Looking good Rick! Can't wait to see it finished!

garrison
08-13-2014, 12:35 PM
what rear shocks?