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Stoneman
02-11-2009, 11:26 AM
GNCC UTV Series Schedule

Round 1 April 4-5 Pirelli Big Buck Union, SC SE&TRA
Round 2 May 16-17 Geico Mountain Ridge Somerset,PA AGP, Pa.
State H.S.
Round 3 Oct. 3-4 ITP Power Line Park St. Clairsville, OH AMA-Dist.11
Round 4 Oct. 24-25 Klotz Ironman Crawfordsville, IN 1XCR

Pilots ran with utv classes last yr!
http://www.gnccracing.com/pages/2009-can-am-grand-national-cross-country-series-schedule

ffjosh
02-11-2009, 12:25 PM
That was fun watcing you guys roll down them hills lol.

minibajaman
03-15-2009, 10:11 PM
bump so we don't forget about this

I am planning on doing round 2 and 3 for sure, and possibly round 4.

minibajaman
05-11-2009, 08:52 AM
Bump, event this coming weekend. I'm still planning on going, anyone else?

odypilots
05-29-2009, 08:51 AM
I saw this in another thread:
http://www.minibuggy.net/forum/attachments/projects-progress/14767d1243603514-pilot-sized-long-travel-pilot-vs-homemadebuggygncc.jpg

Is there a chance of getting a race report? Pretty please?:)

minibajaman
05-29-2009, 04:09 PM
Haha I have been meaning to post a report, just haven't had time to do that yet. I'll work on it tonight or this weekend.

odypilots
05-29-2009, 05:42 PM
Thanks!

minibajaman
05-30-2009, 10:22 AM
Ok, here goes. I went to the GNCC UTV Round 2 in Somerset, PA on May 16th. I can't say my buggy was 100% prepared, but I worked on it the whole weekend before the race doings lots of finish welding and also took the Friday before the race off from work to finish up things like new bodywork. I still did not make any changes to the CVT tuning or gearing, and with my somewhat worn and narrow rear tires I knew I could have some traction problems if it were to get muddy. Forecast for the race day was 60% chance of afternoon thundershowers, but I went anyway and figured I'll take my chances.

The race was supposed to start around 4:30. I rolled in to the race site at around 2:00 so I would have time to register, watch a little quad action, and get ready to race. Weather was looking good, blue skies and only a few clouds. There was dust lingering in the air from the quads. There was 3 guys with Pilots that were already there, they are from the pilotodyssey site. We were the only 4 buggies for the "Pilot" class in the UTV group, but there were at least 40 UTV's ranging from race modified to stock. Around 3:30 it rained for about 15 minutes, just enough to keep the dust down. I checked a few last minute things on my buggy, loaded some tearoffs on my goggles, and got ready to go. I didn't have time to check out the course at all since it was a 5 mile loop, but one of the Pilot guys had walked part of it earlier and gave me the heads up on some sections.

Pit area:
http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs088.snc1/4621_650973377128_15703939_37987303_3416932_n.jpg
2 of 3 Pilots:
http://photos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs088.snc1/4621_650973397088_15703939_37987306_345611_n.jpg
Ready to race:
http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v4621/244/18/15703939/n15703939_37987308_5918138.jpg

We drove over to the staging area around 4:00. They didn't start actually gridding us until around 4:30. We were given row numbers to grid when registering, and they put us buggies in the last row since we are the outcasts of the group. As the race workers were going through and checking to make sure people were in the right rows, dark clouds started rolling in and it started raining. It was light rain but at first, but just kept increasing until it was a full out downpour and there was a little bit of thunder/lightning. Now I am already completely soaked and the race hasn't even started yet. The start the race in the storm, rows leave 10 seconds apart. Since we are last the track is getting nice and torn up by the UTV's.

http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs088.snc1/4621_650973422038_15703939_37987311_8016144_n.jpg
http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v4621/244/18/15703939/n15703939_37987312_300220.jpg
http://photos-b.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v4621/244/18/15703939/n15703939_37987313_1895166.jpg

We finally get the green flag. I take it slow off the line so I don't just spin my tires, and the Pilots get ahead. The first turn is a 180 and two Pilots go sliding off the outside, and I pass everyone on the inside. Looking good so far, but on the next turn I slow down coming in and one Pilot passes me, throwing a roost of mud in my face. One tearoff used, 20 seconds into the race. I am now following two Pilots, the third is behind me. The course goes down a steep hill, and then meanders through fields and brush for a bit. It is very slick, 4" of mud on the surface, and visibility is terrible since the rain made all layers of my goggles wet. I am still right behind the Pilots and we get to this steep hill climb in the woods. I start up it, but halfway up just start spinning the tires. The Pilots got stuck as well but they were almost to the top, and people helped push them up. People tried to push me, but I couldn't get any grip at all, so I rolled back down the hill in reverse getting stuck on a tree on the way which I was helped again to get unstuck from. There was an alternate route up the hill which a course worker guided me to, but I tried that and still couldn't make it due to a large slippery root across the trail. I went back to the bottom and waited off to the side for the UTV's to come through so I wouldn't be in their way. I watched the UTV's go up the hill, and many of them were having trouble even with 4x4. A third route up the hill developed, but it still had a steep section. The Pilots came through again, one went the original way up the hill and needed help again, but the other two took the new way and made it unassisted. However the trail kept getting more and more rutted up, and I knew at this point that I was never going to get up the hill. One of the track workers waited for a break in traffic and I was able to drive out the course backwards for a short section then through the woods to the main road so I could head back to the pits. It continued to rain for the remainder of the race.

Video of the start:
YouTube - GNCC 2009 Mountain Ridge Pilot class start (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H5JyKBX8fg)

A few racing pics I stole from this web site (http://www.atvriders.com/gallery/2009-gncc-07-sxs-utv-photos/pages/905P2181.html):
http://www.atvriders.com/gallery/2009-gncc-07-sxs-utv-photos/images/905P2181.jpg
http://www.atvriders.com/gallery/2009-gncc-07-sxs-utv-photos/images/905P2188.jpg
http://www.atvriders.com/gallery/2009-gncc-07-sxs-utv-photos/images/905P2190.jpg
http://www.atvriders.com/gallery/2009-gncc-07-sxs-utv-photos/images/905P2200.jpg
http://www.atvriders.com/gallery/2009-gncc-07-sxs-utv-photos/images/905P2332.jpg

So basically I had to DNF. I think I only drove about 1/3 of the race course. It pretty much sucked. I went over to the scoring area and watched people go through the finish line. Many had taken their goggles off and were just dealing with mud in their eyes. Some UTV's and one Pilot had flat tires. The 3rd place pilot broke on the last lap and had to be towed back to the pits.

Broken UTV:
http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/photos-ak-snc1/v4621/244/18/15703939/n15703939_37987315_444440.jpg

Other thoughts:
All race vehicles are supposed to go through a quick tech inspection, but the Pilot guys decided we didn't need to do that since they could find a reason to not let us race. No one was really checking anything anyway. I was worried about my exhaust being too loud (there is a limit) but honestly some of the UTV's were way louder in my opinion. I think the noise was on par with most other vehicles.
I guess a good thing to come from this is I learned exactly what I need to improve on my buggy for next time. Lower gearing, clutch tuning, and new rear tires top the list. A rear bumper is also in the works. I will be ready to kick some Pilot ass come the next race in October.

odypilots
05-30-2009, 02:46 PM
Wow! Now that was a race report! Pictures, video, and a great write up. You and Tut do it best.

I'm sorry to hear of your outcome, although that hill sounds like it bordered on being too tough for our class in those conditions. How was the course that you saw? Narrow? Places to pass? Do you know how long the race lasted? Did anyone have to refuel?

Do you know the finishing order of our class? I'm wondering how far up the results the Pilots got.

Thanks again for a great report!

minibajaman
05-30-2009, 06:30 PM
Wow! Now that was a race report! Pictures, video, and a great write up. You and Tut do it best.

I'm sorry to hear of your outcome, although that hill sounds like it bordered on being too tough for our class in those conditions. How was the course that you saw? Narrow? Places to pass? Do you know how long the race lasted? Did anyone have to refuel?

Do you know the finishing order of our class? I'm wondering how far up the results the Pilots got.

Thanks again for a great report!

The hill was quite tough given the mud. I think it would not have been a problem if it was dry. What I saw of the course it was pretty good, some narrow some wide. Apparently there were also sections which were tight in the woods and rocky. Lots of twisty areas, but open so you could definitely pass. The race was 1 hour long, which was about 5 or 6 laps. No one had to refuel, but you could if you need to.

I don't know how the Pilots did compared to the UTV's. Probably similar, the modified UTV's (RZR's mostly) are actually pretty fast and their 4x4 was an advantage given the conditions. The results are available online somewhere, I will have to find it again.

Hope to see you out there next time odypilots. I am probably going to do the NOORA race in June if you are interested in that one.

odypilots
05-31-2009, 08:31 AM
I found these results, I'm not sure if they are accurate.

GNCC Class Results (http://www.racerbanners.com/results/gncc/2009/UTV/class.asp?e=2&c=5&s=1&r=2)

It shows (after clicking through a few links) that the 1st placed Pilot finished 28th overall. 2nd finished 31st, and 3rd finished 46th, 2 laps completed to 1st and 2nd's 4 laps.

I'm interested in the June 27th NOORA race, but we are riding at ST. Joe park in Missouri the week of June 21st- 28th. I just asked darling Deanna about jogging over to PA on our way home, and she wasn't too wild about it,
which is actually a decent response meaning "probably":D.Whether I or the Pilot are going to be up for it after a week of riding, is another story.[smilie=whistle.gif]

minibajaman
09-14-2009, 08:17 PM
Bump, round 3 race is coming up soon on October 3rd. I am planning on going, and there are 5 Pilots committed so far as well. More racers = more fun, anyone else interested?

K-fab
09-17-2009, 07:46 PM
I may just have to dig out a couple of stadium lites...

minibajaman
09-17-2009, 11:30 PM
I may just have to dig out a couple of stadium lites...

Do it, you know you want to...:p

More similar to desert racing than short course stadium lite action, but I think the Briggs cars will do fine, and it's not too far from you, so you really have no excuse not to go...[smilie=whistle.gif]

chuckorlando
09-18-2009, 07:39 PM
These things look so fun. How would one do on a trail? They seem like they would be fun bout any where

K-fab
09-19-2009, 08:25 AM
They're great on the trails, out in the desert, at the dunes, in the woods. Pretty much a blast all around.

Wanna buy one? I have two that are for sale. One's a turn key, the other's in "kit" form.

K-fab
09-28-2009, 08:39 PM
So...
Is anyone going to this?

Or are you guys waiting until the Oct 10th race in PA?

GNCC - just the UTV's right? Not the bikes also.

minibajaman
09-29-2009, 12:13 AM
I am still planning on going to the GNCC this weekend as long as it's not going to be a rainy mudfest. There are currently 10 other Pilots confirmed going as well, should be a blast! Yes just UTV's on the track, no bikes or quads. The race is 1 hour long. I won't be around for the NOORA PA race on the 10th but should be able to make the last one on the 24th.

Stoneman
09-29-2009, 04:03 PM
fyi
There is no utv/pilot class at the oct 10th event.
I plan to have 2 pilots at the Oct 24 race.

odypilots
09-29-2009, 05:15 PM
fyi
There is no utv/pilot class at the oct 10th event.
I plan to have 2 pilots at the Oct 24 race.

Hey, Stone, are you referring to the Oct 3rd race when you say there will be no utv/pilot class?

minibajaman
09-29-2009, 05:23 PM
There is no GNCC event Oct. 10th, only NOORA. And the GNCC event this weekend Oct. 3rd definitely has a UTV/Pilot class.

minibajaman
10-01-2009, 11:05 PM
So K-fab, you coming or what?

K-fab
10-02-2009, 08:03 AM
It's not looking good.

No truck as of yet. May not get it back by the weekend. Sterling's waiting on, of all things, front shocks.

Weather sucks. Sorry, but I'm just not into the mud world anymore.

GNCC - that's major league and sponsored by the AMA (who can kiss my rosy red ass). I won't join or be part of that organization ever again.

The crowds and number of people there will be insane.

I think I'll drop back and wait for the NORRA races instead.

On the flip side to that, both my Gen IV cars are up and running.

minibajaman
10-03-2009, 08:52 PM
Well, I went to this race today. It was me with my homebuilt buggy racing with 10 Pilots. Weather and track conditions were damn I say perfect. Not too hot, track was tacky from the rain on Friday but only muddy in a few places, and almost dusty in other areas.

We started the race in 3 rows, I got placed in the first row and was in second going into the first woods section. Mind you position doesn't matter too much as the race is scored by timing transponders. But it's always good to be in front. I passed the leader int the first open area and held onto first position going into the woods. Pretty quickly I caught up with some UTV's and had to slow and stop a few times for them to clear out up ahead. In one area with a tight turn down a steep hill, the Pilot behind me took the shorter line and passed me. Another Pilot was now on my ass and made a couple of questionable passes while we were waiting for traffic to clear out up ahead, but I smoked him on one of the few wider straight sections in the woods. The track took a surprising turn straight down into a small creekbed, ran along that for a little bit then went straight up the side of it, but I had no problems this time with my grippy tires and tacky dirt. I noticed at the top of the hill the buggy felt a bit weak, but I thought maybe the belt was a little overheated and it would get better. Drove a little more through the woods, just tight, twisty, rolling hills type stuff and noticed the buggy was starting to struggle on teh uphills. Look down at the temp gauge, 215 deg F! Shit, fan must not be working. I know I am close to completing this first lap and almost out of the woods, but as I am heading up the last very gradual hill it has no power at all. The Pilot behind me actually pushed me up the hill as it was too narrow to pass, and I was in the way.

I got to the top, my friend brought some tools over as I was luckily only 100 yds from my pit area, and we messed with it. The fan starting running again, but the small coolant overflow line ruptured and I lost all the coolant. The engine would turn over but not stay running as it was too overheated. So there ended another GNCC race for me. By the time the race was over, the engine had cooled and did start back up and seemed to run ok so I drove it over to the trailer. I guess I just can't catch a break with the GNCC races this year. :(

Oh yeah, 4 out of the 10 pilots eventually broke down too, so at least I wasn't the only one.

odypilots
10-05-2009, 01:28 PM
Sorry to hear of the overheating. It sounds as if you have the speed to compete. Keep at it, I'm sure you'll get to the finish next time. [smilie=thumbs_up.g:

minibajaman
10-05-2009, 11:07 PM
Thanks Dave. I was fairly pissed because I know that if I had been able to continue I would have finished very well. My buggy as you know is much faster than a stock Pilot in the open areas, but in the woods it all comes down to the drivers. The big issue with GNCC racing is that there are not many places to pass, and if you get stuck behind some slow UTV, the people up ahead are gaining more ground. But that is all the more reason to stay in the front from the beginning. ;) I still think these races a ton of fun, now if I could just do more than 1 lap I will be all set.