Critique this suspension setup please

[masterfabr]

Talk to tut if you don't wish to believe me.

[Gene]

I posted a similar statement at GD and it was removed without comment. Shortly after Mosebuilt (scree name) indicated they were making stuff. Touched a nerve I think since Mose advertises there.

Either way the industry is down.

[yoshi]

Originally Posted by standfast

Right on. Yoshi, I must have never noticed that yours were like that. Did you recently change that? I have noticed the big class 1's and TT's like that though. It made alot more since to me to set it up like that.

Not sure on which rack to use yet. But there should be ample room for whatever I choose. Anyone know what small PS racks are out there that are more suited to the minis?

This is the design on my new SR2, which I started using back i Oct. '07.

I'm also doing my new SXS and my 4 seater the same way...

[yoshi]

Originally Posted by masterfabr

Talk to tut if you don't wish to believe me.

I'm not saying your wrong about the partners, i'm just saying if there are still people building the same products from the same name, they are not out of business, just changed hands. ......

[masterfabr]

Whatever you say yoshi,whatever you say.

[masterfabr]

When the brains behind a product leave the company then it's not the same company.Same name or not.Yes I also said that the builder/fabricater was still there and a couple of people.They are hoping to be able to continue in these hard times for the sport. Perhaps technically they are still the same company(same name anyway) but what would happen to Sinister Sand Sports if you were to leave and your fabricator continued on ? It would have the same name but would never again be the same as when you were the brains behind it. Right? I agree that "out of business" was inaccurate but for all intents and purposes Mosebillt is not anymore with the departure of Mose and Billt. One thing is for sure when partnerships dissolve is that either the company will continue with new innovations or in an effort to survive it will try to find corners to cut. Time will tell for Mosebillt. I wish them well.

[yoshi]

If I left, or sold my company to my employee, yes, the brains behind the original designs and future designs would be gone. But if he were to continue using the same jigs to build the same product I had been offering for years, and kept the name sinister sand sports, what exactly has changed except the fact that I won't be contributing new designs for future prototype builds? The current rails will still be the same as what was sold and will be sold, he just might not come up with a new model in a few years like I would...

[masterfabr]

If if if if if if if and if rarely happens.I'm not interested in continuing this BS line of discussion.You have no direct knowledge about what is happening there nor do I other than what an employee has recently said. Most companies make changes when the former owners are no longer involved and that will likely happen to mosebillt also. You know the new guys will have ideas that they will likely incorporate. Good or bad will tell in time. Either way it will be Mosebillt in name only from now on.

[bdkw1]

J-arms do not spread the load out but concentrate it in a smaller area at the front of the chassis making it heavier to deal with the loads. They were originally done to get longer arms on front engined trucks with stock frames (class 8). Somewhere along the line in the monkey see monkey do race world, they became the norm. An A-arm is better all around...... Unless you need to clear a motor.......

[yoshi]

Originally Posted by bdkw1

J-arms do not spread the load out but concentrate it in a smaller area at the front of the chassis making it heavier to deal with the loads. They were originally done to get longer arms on front engined trucks with stock frames (class 8). Somewhere along the line in the monkey see monkey do race world, they became the norm. An A-arm is better all around...... Unless you need to clear a motor.......

I've yet to see a j-arm failure, and since the upper arms are mounted side by side, they push and pull against each other which applies the loads to one another. The lower a-arm takes majority of the load.


And to your comment about it not being ok unless you are trying to clear a motor, that's a weird thing to say, which is that you should not use a j-arm because it's weaker, but you can use it to clear a motor and it will be ok, you can't have it both ways, either it's ok to use or it's not........



And I would agree, (like any suspension setup), the durability of the chassis to handle the shorter spaced j-arm has to be designed for the additional loads....