King Question

[nofearmxer]

In an effort to lower my ride height/axle angle I ran into a question. I jacked my drakart up and moved the pre-load collar up as high as it will go and still maintain contact with the top spring. This doesn't let me drop the car enough to get my CVs out of a bind. If I lower it to where I want it, the spring is loose halfway thu the wheel dropping. As it sits now, as low as I can get it my axle angle is 25*, measureing 13.25" at the bottom of the frame at full drop its 30* with 17.5" of ground clearence. This is way too much so the obvious question is do I just need a longer top spring to make contact with the collar? For now its as low as it will go and the CV is close to being in a bind(25*), so I was going to put limiting straps on. But that will take all of my negative travel out and leave me with the same amount of travel as ground clearance.

[K-fab]

No, you do not need a longer spring. You need a spacer inside the shock so it can't over extend for the geometry of the back of your car.

All you've done is lower the ride height (which is good!). You've done absolutely nothing in relation to the max droop.

A longer spring will just raise your ride height, change the spring's rate as it compresses (compared to the spring(s) on the car) and not do squat for full droop issues.

Stick with what you have, get the max droop set up so that it doesn't bind the CVs and then work from there.

You're on the right track, just not doing it correctly yet. It's all good too, as you said right off the bat that this is all new to you. There's an amazing amount to learn when it comes to suspensions.

[bdkw1]

Limit straps are your friends.......

[nofearmxer]

yes i agree limit straps are my friends. Common sense....but.......

One question.If Niel at ATV did such a good job why am I having to ask all these questions and re-do the suspension???huh? re do the ride hieght and keep blowing axles and CVs. If Drakart was so good how come I have a 582 bottom end and a 583 top end out of a.........???????????? year sled that is a ??????????........model????????? And have no idea what I have when checking specs(lighting coil, gasket sets whatever)

I dont want to limit the shock internally, that loses travel and still has the shock limiting my travel, I dont care how light it is or how strong the shocks are I dont want the shocks to be the limiting factor so I will make up some mounts and put limiting straps on after i lower the car. BUT...............

Shock/ Spring questtion............the top spring is a 100, but the bottom doesnt say anything.........anywhere. So what did they put on here??????

K-Fab if you are in good with those guys maybe you can answer some of these questions, I have a gap of about 1.5 - 2" after I set my ride hieght where I want it. So that why I figured I needed longer/softer springs, or atleast the top one.

But a 100 is as light as king offers as far as I can see or find anywhere.

SO how do I get accomplished what I want to accomplish, which is just to lower the damn car.I lowered it! wowo! but as soon as the car is unweighted the spring is loose and I have a gap of 2".Seems like softer springs but I have the lightest springs already on top so I guess a longer softer bottom spring. Which is what??

I would show you but something is wrong with this site and will not allow me to upload even the smallest of files.

Sincerely,
Yours truely a pissed off poor kid in debt with a piece of shit Canadian/Arizona car that cant believe people EVER paid 15k for THIS! I gave 10 and regret it.

[yoshi]

Originally Posted by nofearmxer

yes i agree limit straps are my friends. Common sense....but.......

One question.If Niel at ATV did such a good job why am I having to ask all these questions and re-do the suspension???huh? re do the ride hieght and keep blowing axles and CVs. If Drakart was so good how come I have a 582 bottom end and a 583 top end out of a.........???????????? year sled that is a ??????????........model????????? And have no idea what I have when checking specs(lighting coil, gasket sets whatever)

I dont want to limit the shock internally, that loses travel and still has the shock limiting my travel, I dont care how light it is or how strong the shocks are I dont want the shocks to be the limiting factor so I will make up some mounts and put limiting straps on after i lower the car. BUT...............

Shock/ Spring questtion............the top spring is a 100, but the bottom doesnt say anything.........anywhere. So what did they put on here??????

K-Fab if you are in good with those guys maybe you can answer some of these questions, I have a gap of about 1.5 - 2" after I set my ride hieght where I want it. So that why I figured I needed longer/softer springs, or atleast the top one.

But a 100 is as light as king offers as far as I can see or find anywhere.

SO how do I get accomplished what I want to accomplish, which is just to lower the damn car.I lowered it! wowo! but as soon as the car is unweighted the spring is loose and I have a gap of 2".Seems like softer springs but I have the lightest springs already on top so I guess a longer softer bottom spring. Which is what??

I would show you but something is wrong with this site and will not allow me to upload even the smallest of files.

Sincerely,
Yours truely a pissed off poor kid in debt with a piece of shit Canadian/Arizona car that cant believe people EVER paid 15k for THIS! I gave 10 and regret it.

Normally I would say just go with a lighter spring and set the collar where it was in the first place, which would allow the car to sit lower and have the correct tension on it, but since your already running a 100 pound spring on the top and can't go lighter, then that throws that idea out. Adding a longer spring will raise the rail up more, and defeat what your trying to accomplish

The manufacturer had no idea what he was doing when he set that rail up. The rail is setup with no droop, and as high as it will go for the simple fact that he thinks it looks cool. I'm not making that up, multiple drak customers have called me and told me the manufacturer told them that's why there is no droop, the builder likes the look.

There's nothing wrong with using the shocks to limit the travel, i'm sure they are doing it now (as are a lot of rails out there, including mine). I don't know why you think adding an internal spacer inside the shock limits your travel any more than a limit strap but your wrong, they both limit the travel right before the cv binds, which is what your wanting to do, correct?


It sounds to me that the only way to get the car to sit where you want it is to move the shock mounts to drop the car down to the correct height........


and nothings wrong with the site, your doing something wrong. No one else has any problems uploading files......

[bdkw1]

Originally Posted by yoshi

but since your already running a 100 pound spring on the top and can't go lighter, then that throws that idea out.

There are springs down to 75#'s. A tender spring set-up would also work, kinda like the triple rate springs on a quad........