Honda Pilot input shaft

[PilotHawK]

The machinist that is supposed to be making me a new input shaft for the pilot/phazer conversion is really dragging his feet. Right now that is the main thing holding me up with the transplant. I can't do anything until I get the new shaft, and rebuild the transmission with it.

Can anyone here make the shaft for me? There is no problem getting one made around here with one exception. No one has the capability to cut a small section of splines at the end of the shaft. The shaft dimensions are essentially 16" OAL and 1.25" dia.

I have contacted RPM and left a message with him about making a new one, but I haven't heard back from him yet. I also have one of his 1st gen pilot input shafts that were used for a 700 series comet driven, but the OD of the shaft is too small for the clutch I want to use, and the input shaft is too short to use for the twin.

[bazz]

G'Day Hawk,pitty your not closer!
I have a local guy,ex speedway,who works from his rear shed,not far from me.Across the rail line.Trouble is...I'm in Perth Downunder!
He has made up some FL350 gears,counter and primary shafts for me.
He can cut gears,do shafts,splines,cut RH&LH Threads etc...Baz

[PilotHawK]

I wish I had that kind of guy close to me.

[Odyknuck]

Try Dave S. AKA FL700Nut . Hes been talking about doing these shafts. I need one for my 700 conversion also.

Percision Machine
440-439-9850

[nutz4sand]

Its been a while scince I had my Pilots drive clutch off. But is there a chance you had a ruined driven clutch laying around or one you would sacrifice?

You need to make bearing supports for the new larger longer shaft anyways. So the new clutch you are gonna use is basically just sending turning force for the most part.

Could you use the part of the Pilot driven clutch that HAS the splines and remove what of it is not needed (Machine some of it off. But leave enough to connect a flange to.)

Then have a shaft that fits the drivin clutch you are gonna use and then have a flange welded on the end of that that you connect to the remains of the Pilots factory driven clutch (have two mating surfaces with bolts going thru it). Leave enough of the Pilots original clutch that you could mount to it with plenty of strength. The taper cuts needed to match what was left of the Pilots stock driven should not be to much of an issue to cut on your new shaft and certainly eaiser than mocking the splines of the Honda tranny. I can try to explain this better if I did not. Bill

[Bugpac]

One solid piece is always going to be more dependable...

[nutz4sand]

Originally Posted by Bugpac

One solid piece is always going to be more dependable...

I do agree with the "Simpler is better way" whenever possible but with this shaft having to be machined to fit the Pilots internal slipper clutch then come out the case and all.

I guess after rereading PilotHawks first message was he talking about the splines that the Pilots driven clutch slides over (What I first thought) or the splines to fit the Pilot trannies internal slipper clutch splines?

Still leaving the pilot tranny as it was from the factory and using a stock driven clutch with an adaptor is not out of the question. The clutchs splines are stong and I am sure its happened but I have never heard of a person stripping them. If a large shaft with a well attached flange was properly mounted to the meat of the stock drivens center part the slipper clutch in the tranny should still give (slip) far before this part would break if made well. Many worse and more complicated things have been made and work well. I was just saying it could work for the BIG engine pilot crowd and be relativley easy to do. Das all. Bill

[Odyknuck]

A note to add on the one piece shaft is you can not install or remove the Driven clutch with out cutting out a frame section or removing the trans. Dave S. used the 2 piece method and Used a carrier support bearing on the inside of the clutch. The Shaft mounts like the original clutch with a thru bolt that holds the sled clutch and shaft on to the existing Pilot trans input shaft

[Bugpac]

On odypilots car, i am 95% certain we could remove the driven if we disassembled and took it off in pieces...Have not tried it yet tho....

[PilotHawK]

Hey Steve, Odypilots is working at getting me one done, but the machinist that is doing it is slow. Maybe if you add another shaft to the order it'll motivate him some.

I plan on using FL350 roll cage tube brackets to make a removable piece so the clutch can be removed without too much difficulty.