Member Attitudes PLEASE READ and be forewarned

[amergin]

Threads have become a little too hostile here lately, especially towards turnkey builders. Why I am not sure, everyone has a chance to contribute and I believe the turnkey builders should have the same opportunity as anyone else to use the site. MBN is open to all people, home shop/garage builders and turnkey manufacturers alike.

It is perfectly appropriate to question a builder (home or turnkey) about their design. It is acceptable for a member to put forward their opinion concerning another members (again home or turnkey) design. It is not acceptable for any member to harass another member of this board. MBN members are free to speak their mind openly be it negative or positive criticism. Don't beat a thread to death attempting to force someone into seeing your point of view though. It will not work and contributes nothing but negative feedback for the site. More often then not the long harassing threads are just tiring to read, benefits no one and contributes no useful information to community. Even worse the good threads with useful information get lost as a result. This is simple folks... treat other the way you like to be treated. Do not abuse other members as you would not like to be abused yourself. If a member has a problem with a turnkey builder or vendor then make a point and move on. Turnkey builders should be aware, they do not know everything and there are more then a few members here that have a tremendous amount of experience in this or related industries.

What it comes down to is this. You know if you are deliberately causing trouble with other members just to get a rise out of them or not. Stop, what's the point? Joking with people is one thing, but the events over the past few months have become nothing more then an ongoing argument spread across multiple threads. There are many members at fault here, both turnkey and home builders. The staff is also largely to blame for allowing this type of abuse to go on.

First offense is a temp ban for two weeks that requires a majority vote by the staff. Bans will be forthcoming, all decisions made by the staff are final. No negative comments or threads concerning banned members will be tolerated. A member ban is between that member and the staff and is in no way the business of anyone else.

Apologies for taking your time with such negative issues. I would rather spend my time doing other things then be forced into composing a post such as this, let alone read it.

Regards,

Rusty

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Well said, Bravo, Thank You
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[renegadespec1]

[Rorty]

Leaving the PERSONALDESERTCAR thread out of it (I just don't understand how that one got out of hand), but concentric to all the other conflicts are people like Sean, Rob and Yoshi, *who by coincidence are all turnkey sellers (there don't appear to be problems with any home-builders).

People are generally outraged and fed up with the constant BS of these few people and it seems like the job of singling them out falls to members who will actually stand up to their cr4p (mods are not exempt from the list of people who have stood up to these parasites either!!!) and call them at each of their lies or brazen exaggerations.

Rather than banning the "vigilante" members (who actually make valid contributions to the site), would it not be simpler to ban the scurrilous maggots (as repeatedly as necessary, and also delete their posts) and then there would be no cause for the conflagrations over the past months?

In my opinion, the majority of turnkey sellers are excellent members and are more than welcome (in their appropriate area), but at the end of the day, this is primarily a builders' site and the crux of all the angst has been three (plus?) turnkey sellers.

If you think about it, if these few worthless individuals were removed from the equation, then there wouldn't be any further clashes on this forum at all and everyone could get on with what we enjoy. Sure there's a healthy level of dry (and sometimes quite black) humour, but the general members here all play very nicely indeed.

Please don't let a very few unwanted individuals destroy this site (and undermine the integrity of mods). Use your powers effectively.

[TutTech]

Admins, I agree to your post and sorry you had to make such a post.
But sometimes drastic measures have to be made to get
people back on track or to get others attention.
Thank you for watching out for all of us and for the site
and making it a great place to come to by taking such actions.
Drastic? ya maybe but atleast something was done I hope
the others involved look at this and stop the negative
feedback just to start a fight etc.

I will als try not to get sucked into the negativeness and
try to make more positive posts and If I have a trouble
I will report it to you Moderators, Admins to deal with behind the
close doors and not on the site.


Thanks,
Tut Tech.

[Pacman]

Ya what he said..........I've lurked here for a long time....not joining just because of the brawling that was always going on........I saw the original Edge Forum and The Pilot/Odyssey Board go down in flames due to the same thing.....There are a lot of smart people here that can help each other out in numerable ways and it just gets that much harder to do if you have to wade thru 10 ton of trash to get to the good stuff. I've always seen this board as a builders board and not a sellers board........I believe that most of the members here are builders and not someone that would buy a turnkey rail....I may be wrong........hey.....That might be a good idea for a "poll"........back to the rant.....when I first got hooked to the internet....10 - 12 years ago a good friend of mine gave me this piece of advice.......

Don't waste your time arguing on the internet......ya, you might win ..........but winning an argument on the internet is like winning the Special Olympics ....sure you might have won but your still retarded! *

[DuneMe]

Whew. . .

I thought you were going to say no more pictures of hot chicks or something serious *

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[yoshi]

I wasn't gonna reply, but i'll get my .02 cents in. *Rorty's post is a slap in the face to Amerigns post about not being negative. *Calling me a *"scurrilous maggots" *a "parasite", and a "worthless individual" *as he lumped me as the 3 that are a problem, were extremly uncalled for, as well as grouping me with his opinion of Rob and Sean. *The post was extremely rude, and following what Amerigin wrote in the topic about not being rude or hateful, it appears to me that he fits in the classification of a first offense and will be getting a 2 week ban shortly. *I, as well as some other members he named, were called direct and vulgar names, some of the worst ones called to people on the site to date, and for no reason than to be rude and defy Amerigns decision to ban a member, so I see no reason he wouldn't get his first ban now.

He feels he speaks for the board saying people are outraged by "a certain 3",..well, there are 3 people that get a lot of complaints, one of them is gone for the next 2 weeks, one of them made a post in here that will prob. be resulting in his being banned for 2 weeks, and one other person that has gotten better, but still likes to stir the pot, who's name I won't say but everyone knows who it is. *I have received lots of phone calls and emails about these 3 people, and say they refuse to post here because of them, yet they call me, so they obviously can see I am not the problem. *I've also asked the mods if I was part of the problem and if people were complaining about how I was acting (besides master, bug, and Rorty) and they said no, people weren't complaining about me, I was defending myself when being attacked and they realized that.

I have never, not once, started in on a topic and been negative to anyone, or started a topic just to be rude, every single bickering match I allowed myself to get stuck into was caused by someone else, and defending myself, things always carried on forever. *I guarantee that if Rorty is gone for 2 weeks, as well as someone else that is already gone, and if the 3rd. doesn't stir the pot just for the hell of it, this site will have no arguments the entire time they are gone. *

Tut, I can only assume you are referring to me in your post as one of the sellers who's topics always seem to have the problems and you agreed with Rorty's post, but if you go check the topics, every single one of my issues was with the exact same 3 people, and they always started in on me, and I always defended myself right back, so yes, you will find my name in the questionable topics, but a certain few love to use me as their personal punching bag and instigate the issues first, you can check any of the topics and you will see who made what post that got things started, and it wouldn't have been me...


I don't think i'm better than anyone else here, I have never implied that, I have been very helpful and shared any info I know for building, and have spent hours on the phone with people wanting advice on builds when I knew I wouldn't make one penny of them. *I have no problems at GD.com with over 18k members, but here there are 3 that cause problems for both me, and others, and they are in all the questionable topics, and they are the ones mentioned by name by multiple people as to why they don't post on this site.

I can't help it that the people that like to cause trouble with me do so very often and every chance they can, they are all good friends, and seem to do all their negativity together at the same time when problems come up, they are not "vigilante" members "who actually make valid contributions to the site", they are the real root of the problems that keep a lot of old members from posting, and a lot of new members from joining. *I wish they would just leave my name outta things, I started to ignore what they say to me as advised by a lot of members in here, but it's really hard when they keep trying to get me rialed up, even though I refuse to respond to them...

[amergin]

Yoshi, your above post is out of line. Bob could have very well been talking about a previously banned vendor who shall remain nameless.

People please, read a thread and think before posting. If you are upset at something someone said stop, take a break and compose a response at a later time. By then you may just have a whole new perspective on what was said.

[yoshi]

I am sorry if I read it wrong, these key points of his post gave me my opinion of what he was saying being directed at me..He named me and 2 others, then referred to the 3 being the problem. *. *When he referrd to "these 3 plus sellers" there are really only three he could be talking about, Rob, sean, and myself"

Again, if I read it wrong, I apologize, but I don't think anyone would blame me for feeling this was directed at me, and the name calling that was applied to who he was referring to...

"but concentric to all the other conflicts are people like Sean, Rob and Yoshi,"

"People are generally outraged and fed up with the constant BS of these few people"

"would it not be simpler to ban the scurrilous maggots (as repeatedly as necessary, and also delete their posts) and then there would be no cause for the conflagrations over the past months?"

"the crux of all the angst has been three (plus?) turnkey sellers."

"If you think about it, if these few worthless individuals were removed from the equation, then there wouldn't be any further clashes on this forum"