No idea what to call this thread other than ridiculous...

[masterfabr]

Lots of campsites left for reservation at Little Sahara Powersports. I got *a 26X85 reserved for my big ass trailer at the event.Site 1C. You have to reserve 4 nights so I did the nights Mar29-Apr1. 30.00 a night(smaller sites are less) with rv water and electric.4 night minimum to reserve.THese sites will fill up fast so if you're really planning to attend I would suggest you reserve now. * I have talked with our local ATV crazies(club) and they say they will also be there. Should be 30-50 quads.THey also have a drag race *tree. *[smilie=thumbs_up.gif] .Cool group of men and women! I have been given the use of a very large grille (4x8 trailer) by Cedar Creek Wholesale from Broken Arrow,Ok and likely some steaks,too!Bring your own tho just in case there's not enuff. If you decide to make campsite reservations PM me with site location so I can make a list so we can find ya! Again I will be at site 1C top of hill/north end behind Little Sahara Powersports.HOPE TO SEE YOU THERE!

[masterfabr]

www.lspsonline.com * *will get you there!

[masterfabr]

Due to a pm from a very pissed off Franco this morning I wandered over to the buggynews site. My first visit.I may be wrong but I think Franco confused me with k-fab.Oh,well.So I read some over there and I became aware that several of our members seem afraid to post because we're such an opinionated bunch. Except me! Please don't be.Unless you wish to tell us that your CORB is just as good or even better there's no reason to be afraid. We are willing to help. The recent examples of us being in "attack mode"were due to lacking SELLER/VENDOR *INTERGRITY. There IS a place for all types and makes buggies.Now with that said I would like to invite ALL offroad enthusiasts to join us at Little Sahara for the party.CORB/domestic/junk/full-on race/whatever!We all love the same things!Open air/dirt/sand!YEAH!!!

[yoshi]

Originally Posted by masterfabr\";p=\&quot

Due to a pm from a very pissed off Franco this morning I wandered over to the buggynews site. My first visit.I may be wrong but I think Franco confused me with k-fab.Oh,well.So I read some over there and I became aware that several of our members seem afraid to post because we're such an opinionated bunch. Except me! Please don't be.Unless you wish to tell us that your CORB is just as good or even better there's no reason to be afraid. We are willing to help. The recent examples of us being in "attack mode"were due to lacking SELLER/VENDOR *INTERGRITY. There IS a place for all types and makes buggies.Now with that said I would like to invite ALL offroad enthusiasts to join us at Little Sahara for the party.CORB/domestic/junk/full-on race/whatever!We all love the same things!Open air/dirt/sand!YEAH!!!

don't forget to invite the lawnmower guys, that sport is really starting to catch on...

[masterfabr]

Yes ,you're invited too, Yoshi! Man, you're so insecure!

[Bedo]

well, i will never post anything on BN at all anymore. *that is the most backstabbing group i have ever seen. *nothing but a group of people with their heads up other peoples ass's. *the moderators are the like the gestapho. *if you dont kiss ass of the 'dealer's' that are favored, then you get black balled and ridiculed. *so, they can all eat sh*t and die for all i care.
this forum can be opinionated at times. but, at least, here the moderators will put a stop to the bs than can happen. *and here, you guys are at least honest with your opinions. *you dont go along just to be going along. *so, i'll just stay here, thank you very much.... *
still weighing the options on LS. got a few months to see what happens. *but we're trying...

[FRANCO]

Originally Posted by Bedo\";p=\&quot

well, i will never post anything on BN at all anymore. *that is the most backstabbing group i have ever seen. *nothing but a group of people with their heads up other peoples ass's. *the moderators are the like the gestapho. *if you dont kiss ass of the 'dealer's' that are favored, then you get black balled and ridiculed. *so, they can all eat sh*t and die for all i care.
this forum can be opinionated at times. but, at least, here the moderators will put a stop to the bs than can happen. *and here, you guys are at least honest with your opinions. *you dont go along just to be going along. *so, i'll just stay here, thank you very much.... *
still weighing the options on LS. got a few months to see what happens. *but we're trying...

Bedo,

I think you covered it all! I applaud you for being so frank about Buggy News and their "know-it-all" moderators. These same jerks are trying to make inroads on this forum as well. They spy here for Steve and report back to him. Recently they published a poll on BN that tells the whole story, most of these guys drive 150cc go-karts. When they come to visit this site they do not tell you about the Chinese junk they own as they want to fit in. The dealers hated me for telling the truth about the junk that they sell. Many of their members have a hard time with being told the real truth about the junk they bought from the very same dealers. If you look at their posts they spend more time fixing the junk they bought than they do driving. Steve the owner of BN wants to ignore this as well because it is not good for his banner sales. If anyone says anything negative about Chinese go-karts, Steve sends them a PM to try and suppress what they are saying. I know I got plenty of them from Steve and eventually got banned for what I had to say. Meanwhile the manufacturers and dealers on BN keep their mouth shut and so they can continue to peddle the junk to the members on BN. Remember they are putting their children in this junk!

I asked GUY48065*a moderator on BN (and a member of this site) to do this recently: Start a new post on BN and see if any manufacturer or dealer responds or if Steve even allows you to even post it. Ask a very simple question: Ask every manufacturer to state what their roll cage and frame is made from. Ask them to state the specification of tubing they use, tube diameter, wall thickness etc. It you asked this question on minibuggy.net they would be proud to tell you. Lets see how proud the manufacturers and dealers are on BN are.

Needless to say GUY48065 did nothing.

BN does have some manufacturers that build a decent go-karts and sandrails like TJ Motorports and Joyner. Most manufacturers and dealers on BN however live in fear of a customer asking them what their frames are built from? Steve would not allow me to ask this question. Most do not know and they do not want to know as that might stop sales.

Watch out for GUY48065*, he simply makes shit up about you and hope it sticks. He has ignored all the positive reports that BN members have made about the sandrails we sold them in the hope you cannot find the truth. We have no negative reports about our sandrails on BN. I thought Bedo was writing about this guy as it describes him perfectly. You should see the stuff that "GUY48065" posted on BN about minibuggy.net about you all:

www.buggynews.com/viewtopic.php?p=78287 ... ght=#78287 *

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I used to think Minibuggy.net was a cool and helpful site. Now I'm quite sure it's helpful only if you don't own a chinese buggy--or wish only to lurk there and never come out of the closet. They currently have 544 members and several BN members are also registered but they rarely post--if at all. They are so hostile to the chinese scene that anyone who brings up such a product is instantly flamed to within an inch of their el-cheapo souls *
This sentiment extends all the way up to their administration--quite the opposite of Steve's open-door policy.

The reason for the animosity? I really don't know. I doubt it's our membership (2941 vs their 544). I doubt it's how active and passionate we are (75,900 posts vs. 17,540 over about the same interval of time) I don't think we're a threat--they have their side of the street and we have ours. They're all about sand and huge HP and we're mostly about trail riding with small machines. They have more to gain by being open to us than we do to them. Several members have already bought larger buggies and some no doubt will eventually move all the way up to real sandrails. How many of their members will "buy down" to a CORB?

Many of us visited their forum to see what Sean was up to since joining there as "Franco". Our visit and heads-up apparently were not appreciated. I'm hoping this will be seen by some of their membership who might then consider what the problem is. Certainly posting this in their forum would only result in more condescension towards us.

--Mark
just another BN bastard red-headed stepchild



This jerks (GUY48065) sole purpose along with some other members of BN was to publish the same lies and slander they were allowed to post with Steve's blessings on BN on minibuggy.net . *They do not have even one fact to support their lies and slander. They did everything in their power to stop our sales and even told members to cancel their sales. I think it is disgusting that these A-holes can be allowed to make up shit in a blatant attempt to destroy someone's business for no other reason than jealousy. Why would anyone do this? They need to be sued a taught a lesson. Maybe if they loose everything they own as a result of their slanderous actions they will stop their lies and slander. I might just sue this jerk to make an example out of him for what he has posted on BN and here. As a moderator on BN GUY48065 will most likely simply delete his posts. My lawyer already has a copy of all his posts along with his bud Dustin (alias Lafangas)

From my point of view the majority of the moderators and some members basically despise the larger (800cc and up) sandrails owners and dealers. If anyone supports our company, the moderators accuse them of doing so just so they can get parts. The moderators are pathetic to say the least.

I thought it was important that you knew who was lurking on your forum.

Sean

[masterfabr]

I believe we're still separating the wheat from the chaff. My eyes and ears are still very much open.Time will tell if you have been treated fairly or not.

[buildstoys]

Sean,

I have no problem with you and hope that this reply doesn't cause any ill will towards me.

Most of your posts seem to want to both put buggynews down and state over and over how your business is suffering and they should be sued.

They can stay on their side of street and talk small import buggies and we can happily continue are building over here. *Personally, I say who cares about their lurking and bashing. *If things get out of line posting here, K-Fab and Gene do their jobs (as they have done before).

Also, if you honestly are running a legitimate business and have some sort of legal case to launch against someone, you don't talk about here. *You handle it in the "real world" with your Lawyers.

Product issues could be handled like Yoshi did with his diff problems, maybe take example from those posts?

I don't mean to rant and rave, it's just that since I first started lurking here myslef, every fourth or fifth post turns into something negative about something or someone. *You have more than fueled the fire about buggynews putting us down.


Kasey

[FRANCO]

Originally Posted by buildstoys\";p=\&quot

Sean,

I have no problem with you and hope that this reply doesn't cause any ill will towards me.

Most of your posts seem to want to both put buggynews down and state over and over how your business is suffering and they should be sued.

They can stay on their side of street and talk small import buggies and we can happily continue are building over here. *Personally, I say who cares about their lurking and bashing. *If things get out of line posting here, K-Fab and Gene do their jobs (as they have done before).

Also, if you honestly are running a legitimate business and have some sort of legal case to launch against someone, you don't talk about here. *You handle it in the "real world" with your Lawyers.

Product issues could be handled like Yoshi did with his diff problems, maybe take example from those posts?

I don't mean to rant and rave, it's just that since I first started lurking here myslef, every fourth or fifth post turns into something negative about something or someone. *You have more than fueled the fire about buggynews putting us down.


Kasey

I will quote one of my favorite poems:

* *They came first for the Communists,
* *and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.

* *Then they came for the Jews,
* *and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.

* *Then they came for the trade unionists,
* *and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.

* *Then they came for the Catholics,
* *and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.

* *Then they came for me,
* *and by that time no one was left to speak up.


My point is simple, why should anyone be allowed to post lies and slander about anyone or any company without any facts or is it okay as long as it does not effect you or the company that you own? *Until you are the victim of their lies and slander you have not walked in my shoes!

Sean