What would be a good price for this chassis/suspension combo???

[atomicjoe23]

What would be a good price for the following frame/suspension???
This would be for UTV class or possibly class 10 (it's a little small for class 10 but you can fit a motorcycle engine tranny in it. . .so the power to weight ratio would be great!). . .
Single Seat Buggy
-Wheelbase: 76"
-ground clearance using UTV wheels/tires: 12" using 22" wheel/tire combo
-Track Width (outside-to-outside): 62.5"
-frame constructed of MIG welded 1.50" x 0.120" 1020 DOM (cert sheet included)
-front dual unequal length A-arms (17" travel) constructed of 1.00" x 0.120" TIG welded 1020 DOM; bushing mount chassis side & heim joint knuckle side
-rear semi-trailing arms (15.5" travel) constructed of 1.00" x 0.120" TIG welded 1020 DOM; heim joint chassis and axle side
-meets SCORE, BITD, etc. UTV class rules. . .has been inspected by national inspectors and passed but has not yet been inspected by SCORE, BITD, etc. officials
-0.065" 5052H-32 aluminum body panels (hood, firewall, side panels, and rear firewall)
-tube chassis painted bright red
-body panels painted gloss black
-full length skid plate
This would be a bare chassis/suspension without engine/tranny, wheels/tires, rearend, seat, R&P. . .
Thanks!!!

[xmotorcr]

just a fyi but SCORE wont allow it, as they didnt allow the redline revolt to even get tech'd because of its size.

[atomicjoe23]

Yeah. . .I know about the Redline issue. . .two of my buddies (actually the two guys I built this buggy chassis with) are now doing testing for the Redline factory team. . .apparently the situation is being "figured out" whatever that means???

I've been keeping up with the whole SCORE class situation with regards to Class 10 and motorcycle engines, mini-buggies, etc. . .hopefully it should get figured out soon, especially with the Redline buggies, the Predator buggy, the Fusion C-1 Lite, and the Speed Unlimited MC-10 now being out there. . .SCORE should definitely address the situation with a class specifically for these things. . .

. . .what I meant by "meets SCORE class rules" is that it is fabricated to meet those guidelines with regards to gusseting and material use. . .I know that it is allowed to race in BITD though. . .

. . .what do you think this chassis is worth???

[dunerocket]

Why paint it? With it not even being close to finished, the paint is going to be pretty much removed anyway. All you get is the steel and some labor? $1500 would be the high end of my guess.

[atomicjoe23]

Dunerocket. . .you misunderstand. . .the buggy is complete. . .it has already been raced. . .we are wanting to build a new chassis for next season. . .

. . .so it has already been tabed and everything. . .been tested as well. . .we could sell it as a rolling chassis (minus the driveline) I guess. . .$1500 sounds WAY low to me. . .if you look at similar sized buggies that are sold as turnkey and factor out the cost of the driveline (~$20,000) and bodywork (~$20,000. . .and that's a little high for this size of buggy) the people buying them are paying ~$20,000 just for the chassis/and suspension arms (I included the price of shocks in the bodywork and driveline estimate). . .don't get me wrong. . .I'm not trying to sell it for $20,000 but $1500 barely covers the cost of the tubing, tabs, rod ends, tube inserts, and sheetmetal. . .and that's not even factoring in the man hours to put it all together. . .

. . .I was thinking that it would be a steal at $10,000 and people could put whatever their favorit brand of engine/CVT combo in it they wanted and be under the cost of a brand new UTV and already be set with a LT UTV class race car. . .

. . .maybe I was WAY off base, but judging by what I see people paying for this stuff I thought $10,000 was on the cheap side of things. . .

[Bugpac]

How much is it being tested prior to asking 10k?

[atomicjoe23]

Several testing sessions to get the buggy ready to race and a 4 hr. endurance race. . .

. . .I don't know what the bare chassis weighs, but in ready to run condition it weighs 650 lbs. w/o a driver. . .that's with everything on it for a daylight race (no lights and no spare tire onboard. . .)

. . .I'm just trying to compare apples to apples. . .I see the Predator and they want $30K for it. . .same for the Redline Revolt XL (which just raced in Baja by the way). . .Speed Unlimited's MC-10 and the Fusion C-1 Lite are double that at $60K+. . .

the only difference between the chassis that I have rightnow and what they have essentially is the width of the A-arms and the length of the trailing arms (we used shorter trailing arms because it was a tight, technical course and a wheelbase larger than what we have would have negatively affected our turning radius and made us less competitive. . .). . .the chassis dimensions between these vehicles is nearly identical as is the overall design (and we hadn't even seen any of these vehicles when we designed our chassis so it wasn't us copying their design. . .we independently came up with something very much alike. . .)

. . .and as far as testing goes. . .Speed Unlimited was asking $62K for the MC-10 and it hadn't been tested at all. . .and hadn't raced yet either. . .now it did extremely well in it's first race out, but still it hadn't been tested and the asking price is $62K. . .

[dunerocket]

I took bare chassis as just that. No shocks, cvs, steering box, seat, engine, FNR, lights, wiring, exhaust, axles, hubs, brakes.....

The chassis and arms for the R16 plans took me to $850 for tubing, so that was the basis of my figure. The chassis and arms are the cheapest part of the build in my experience so far.

[atomicjoe23]

I see your point. . .I look at the the amount of money that people are paying for these things and I just don't see how it add's up to that much, but that's because I know how much it costs to make them. . .

. . .I know products are worth as much as the customer will pay for them, but how do we get buggies that are roughly the same size as the one that I built (and cost roughly $600 for the tubing) to go for $30-60K???

We wanna sell this chassis to fund our next chassis build. . .

[dunerocket]

I understand, and it sounds like you are trying to sell more than just the tube and work. The completely ready buggy seems to sell to a crowd willing to pay more, since they don't have much ability to fab or assemble...

Gene pointed this out, and I think it is somewhat of your competetion...

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