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[yoshi]

[quote=hero_saku39\";p=\"17798][quote="yoshi\";p=\"17795":2p1s2hiy][quote="hero_saku39\";p=\"17789":2p1s2hiy][quote="yoshi\";p=\"17780":2p1s2hiy]

Originally Posted by "hero_saku39\";p=\"17770":2p1s2hiy

The definition of knockoff is "an unlicensed copy of something (esp. fashion clothing) intended to be sold at a lower price than the original. *A knockoff can not be an improved product sold for more money.

Almost all automotive parts are manufactured by the "aftermarket auto parts companies" and sold as OEM parts for, and supplied to auto manufacturers.

Cool, I finally know more about something than you do lol. Up until the first of this year, I've been self employeed for over 9 years doing custom paint and body work as well as collision and restoration work. *I used after market parts on prob. 90 percent of vehicles I repaired, and not one of them was as thick or fit as well as stock parts I bought for vehicles. *Bumpers, hoods, fenders, you name it, the metal was always thinner and they were usually a pain to line up.[/quote:2p1s2hiy]

Awesome.......I, also am a body man......and you are correct aobut body pannels and such...but you didn't say anything about body pannels, you mentioned brakes....

Brakes for example are pretty much made by a few companies, these companies are contracted by auto manufactureres to make their brakes.......altenators, if you find one that is not made by ac delco it is pretty rare...

Now, who do you get fenders/door skins/hoods etc. from?[/quote:2p1s2hiy]


Actually, I did, I said "if you get in a wreck you better not use after market parts"

Far as my sources, it depends on how much money the customer wants to save and how nice they want it to look, the 2 close and cheap ones are certi-fit and auto panels plus. *Keystone has some of the better fitting parts though, just a bit high....

I've also used the body mans warehouse and Midstate....[/quote:2p1s2hiy]

Have you ever used a body pannel from Ford/Chevy/Honda......dealership?[/quote:2p1s2hiy]


Yerp, sometime the insurance companies would price new parts and i'll wasn't dumb enough to use aftermarket and worry about legal issues. *All quarter panels as well as roof skins (usually hail jobs) were from the dealership as well as a few parts for newer cars that aftermarket didn't make yet. *The factory stuff always bolted on soo nice....

[K-fab]

Originally Posted by bugpac\";p=\&quot

are you saying you indeed designed this box at the start, and had it made in china as well? for the soda guys? and that it currently is being produced *by dbd?

also how about listing some of your info on here that kfab can add to the top, like prices contact info etc....

I am not a moderator for this thread anymore. *I stand down.
I have informed Gene that I am biased on this subject and therefore cannot be fair and balanced in my moderation duties.

Bug - Dan developed the tranny that's been such a topic for Soda and makes the stuff in the good ol' USA. *It all comes out of California. *That is HIS original work. *He also did/does a smaller hp chain driven case that is very similar to the old Honda 350 Oddy's.

I hyperlinked the RPM Box on the first page to Dan's site. - http://www.rpmgearboxes.com/ *It's more to hold the URL than anything. *He has contact info and a phone number if you so please.

He is also more than aware of a couple copy cats.

The first name Dan mentions - Steve Allen of Allentech - has produced a box that's very similar - I've seen the cases, but not the internals (because it was EMPTY). *As per a couple of the other vendors, Allen is not trustable. *I've met the guy at both Desert Dog and ATV Racing and he's a flake.

Both Neil and Jay have been asked by customers about the Allentech transmissions that they were given to test. *The customers had been told that ATV Racing and Desert Dog Off Road had been the testing bodies and the were giving great reviews.... * Funny - all ATV ever got was an empty case and Jay hadn't even seen the cases, much less bolted one into a car. * This was 18 months ago or so.

Now there are some (no numbers) working trannies by Allen - and from what James was telling me, they are worthless and are not lasting much more than a few hours. *Poor gear design, tollerances and such.
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Yoshi - I fully understand the direction you've taken. *You make a very valid point - maybe, just maybe it's a unit that can handle 50 hp. *If so, well, then I guess there's an FNR box on the market for a lower HP niche. *I won't argue with you on that.

The transmission needs to be tested.

I also am fully aware of the Chinese copies that are out there. *The 50 market is saturated with them, there are two copies of the Tazcar (sorry, I can't recall the other - I just saw the ad get tossed out of the lunch room at ATV one afternoon by James), and now there's a copy of the RPM Transmission.

It's going to happen.

The issue is, as masterfabr's been on his soapbox about, INTEGRITY by the seller.

Yoshi, you should understand this one completely. *You have proven that you stand behind your products. *You understand the priciple of integrity. *It's obvious that you strive for the accomplishment of sending a product off that works and then continues to work as promised to the customer.

You went way beyond what most stand up people would working with the tranny problems you had.
I understand the point of view you have taken, as you did the right thing and hopefully made it become a better product. *I tore up a Tazcar for five years for ATV Racing - it helped develop a better product. *When my SCORE car's done, ATV will learn more.

Has DBD actually TESTED 300 hp through his box? *If not, then don't make the claim. *Say it's been running with what ever HP it's been running with. *Test at a higher level before stating said level.

The RPM box has been tested. - I even gave examples, along with the powerplants. *100 units by ATV Racing alone. *Jay has another 20 or so out there too.

Getting fluffed when asking direct questions, dodging and avoiding answering and giving "salesman pitch" replies doesn't fly. *Please tell me you can agree with this.


Also, as per my conversation with Dan this evening, Superkart purchased one of the RPM boxes from him.
Then, as if by magic, there is suddenly a chinese copy of it coming from the company.
DBD, were you not involved with Sean of Superkart? *- if you bought that in Europe, I'll eat my racing shoes.
Dan called you by screen name, almost immediately, from another site stating that you were involved in this.

Dan told me that the transmission is such a great copy that he gets calls looking for info and parts. *Hmm - parts?

And how about your warranty DBD?

"Team-Moto.Com warrants to the original purchaser that this Team-Moto.Com product will be free from defects in material and workmanship for a period of 30 days, from date of purchase by the end user, when used as intended and under normal service and conditions for personal use. *This Warranty is limited to the replacement or any defective part by Team-Moto.Com and the installation by the dealer of any such replacement part, and does not cover common wear items such as CVT belts, fan blts, timing belts, brakes pads, tires, etc. *Team-Moto.Com reserves the right to inspect any equipment or parts which are claimed to have been defective in material or workmanship."

Customer purchases a car, waits for enough of them to be built in China, stuffed into a crate and six months later the customer gets it - the warranty's been done and over 5 months before the vehicle's even delivered.

Nice.



So let's get down to testing.

DBD
Send Yoshi one of your boxes. *Please.

I will happily drop one of your trannies into my old Deztaz and test it for you. *This February it will see use in the desert and, if I can get my rear hubs machined up, it will see use at Gordon's Well in the Imperial Sand Dunes (Glamis). *I will video tape the testing via an onboard camera.

It will need a 1" input shaft, 6.5" long, with a .75" diam, 1" long bearing snout on the end of that (overall shaft length of 7.5") I can provide a picture if you need.
It needs a .250" keyway cut the length of the shaft.
I will not need the transmission brake, but please keep the splined shaft present for my alternator drive.
I believe the output shafts are VW Bus transmission specs. *I can get them for you, but you probably already know them. - If you have 930 CV cups, please include them ON the transmission output shaft.

I will have to cut the mounting "ears" off of the flat plate and more than likely have to up the bolt diameter in some of the case holes to 5/16 or 3/8 - and some of them will go completely through the transmission too. - in otherwords, I will have to do some EXTERNAL case mods. *I will document EVERYTHING via pictures and I will post them here for everyone to see.

I will open the case, take pictures of the internals and then close and seal it. *Please tell me what oil you want run in it.

My powerplant is a fuel injected Yamaha RX1 sled engine. *It makes somewhere in the neighborhood of 150 hp.
I run the stock Yamaha primary and a red Team secondary clutching.
My wheels are 29" in diameter. *The rears will have new BFG A/T's installed. *245/75-15, if memory serves.
The car weighs right at 1400 lbs w/o occupants and about 1/2 tank (tank is 22 gallon capacity) of fuel.

I believe this should cover just about everything.

[Danno]

'Bout to have a tif with bugpac about having my stuff made in china. *I have been making all my parts HERE for all time. *I have a great gear cutting shop and design and make all my own parts which acounts for my former lack of ability to deliver in quantity. *I have joined the twentieth century (note: not twenty-first) and have gone CNC for a lot of the work I used to do by hand. *Same quality, faster production. *High strength alloys and a guarantee on performance. *As far as I know, I was the only one to guarantee my parts to the racing groups I served. *I still do. *A blind man on a fast horse could see DBD copied my box. *He has his reasons and all I can do now is wish him well. *I will never do that kind of business but ask anyone who has my stuff and you will know why they are loyal. *If it fails for any reason, I want to know about it. *If you don't know what you are doing, I will try to educate you and move on. *Nothing in the world is perfect or unbreakable. *Ask K-fab as we go way back.
All for now...

Dan *(RPM, Roberto Precision Machine, rpmgearboxes.com)

[masterfabr]

THat sounds like a legitimate offer to test if I ever heard one. Step up to the plate DBD as I know you will be more than eager to show us *how unfair I was towards you.I will HAppily eat my words if that box makes 100 miles of tough use. PLEASE prove me wrong.k-fab is the man to be able to most quickly bring this to a close I think.

[guy48065]

Well it's been an entertaining read this evening (now morning). *So you've all met Rob. *It's been interesting watching him commit professional suicide in 3 days here. *It took his partner much longer to do the same over at BuggyNews. *We're a little slower *

Mark
Ridge Runner (Formerly Diirks)

[Danno]

As much as 100 miles sounds like a good test, *I am getting back gearboxes with two years of hard miles on them with 185 HP and a 300 lb guy driving the dog poop out of it and when it came in for overhaul, it needed nothing, but I put new seals in it before sending it back. *Ask Neil at ATV Racing if I am blowing smoke. *I stand by my parts and my word.

Danno

[Bedo]

PM for you Danno.

[Danno]

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone and to all a good night!

Danno

[masterfabr]

Originally Posted by guy48065\";p=\&quot

Well it's been an entertaining read this evening (now morning). *So you've all met Rob. *It's been interesting watching him commit professional suicide in 3 days here. *It took his partner much longer to do the same over at BuggyNews. *We're a little slower *

Mark
Ridge Runner (Formerly Diirks)

Really glad now I kept dogging him!masterfabr

[yoshi]

Danno, how much does your unit weigh, can you make a 6:1 ratio, what's the cost.....?

I build busa powered rails for a living......