Radiator Mounting Location Issues

[masterfabr]

The spin stops here.You're on the O'Reilly Factor!Seriuosly,I understand your point but it was WAY overstated and has nothing to do with the radiator positioning .Get some sleep !

[Rorty]

[masterfabr]

Beating a dead horse?Nooooooo,it's BS!

[yoshi]

I know it has nothing to do with the radiator, you just have a nice problem of finding one point that you like to run with and go on some big crusade to say how it's right. *No one else in here (1 or 2 people I believe) that agree with you have continued to drag this subject (like many other subjects) on and on and on and on. I only reply when you specifically call me out, but I was done with this topic a while ago and I won't argue about radiator positioning anymore. *You made your point a long time ago, as did I, as did people who have been into the racing aspect with different mounted radiators for many many years and have actual world experience and know a lot more than either of us. *I wasn't *spinning the subject, I was pointing out that if you are gonna pick something to go postal on, you might want to make sure your not complaining about something that is less of a concern than other potential problems. *It's like saying you have to use chromo, but not having any triangulation in your design, that's focusing on one aspect when there are worse problems that could be addressed because material choice can be bad if the design is not good.


And to your comment about even though thousands of people have been doing it for many many years, even though they haven't had problems, and how that's not the way we should make our choices. *It's a 2 way road, you shouldn't take years and years of experience from thousands and thousands of people, and throw them out the window saying they are wrong, just because your trying to be a pack leader. *You wanna use your own design to stand you out, go ahead, nothing wrong with that, but don't start taking things that have been done since before you were born, especially things that have an extremely good track record, and start saying that everyone is wrong and it's unsafe and your just asking for trouble. *It's not nearly as bad as you make it out to be and the chances of getting hurt from many many other things is far greater....

And to why I defend my position at all? *Because you make some arrogant comments about how something I do is wrong (done this multiple times actually) and how my customers are gonna get hurt and i'm not thinking about them. *This isn't because I like to debate, this is because your going on your crusade and trying to make me look bad for my design choice(s). *You never use to bash my stuff until you decided that you wanted to become a builder, now all you do is nitpick *things in my rail.

[renegadespec1]

Yoshi,
Could you and Master stop duking it out long enouph to measure up the coolers you got on the shelf? [smilie=ext_beer2.gif] I got some SUPER PAINT it's the best/strongest *in the world that will stop the piston...Just paint your arm pits with it
If we all just go back to Briggs and stratton air cooled motors we'll all be safe and happy

[yoshi]

Originally Posted by renegadespec1\";p=\&quot

Yoshi,
Could you and Master stop duking it out long enouph to measure up the coolers you got on the shelf? [smilie=ext_beer2.gif] I got some SUPER PAINT it's the best/strongest *in the world that will stop the piston...Just paint your arm pits with it
If we all just go back to Briggs and stratton air cooled motors we'll all be safe and happy

I will measure one when I get a chance, but just for some round about numbers, the height is: bigger than 2" but less than 48",..the width is: bigger than 6", but less than 90". *Hope that helps for now...Oh yeah, it's thicker than 1/4", but thinner than 8 foot.....

[renegadespec1]

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[masterfabr]

Originally Posted by yoshi\";p=\&quot

I know it has nothing to do with the radiator, you just have a nice problem of finding one point that you like to run with and go on some big crusade to say how it's right. *No one else in here (1 or 2 people I believe) that agree with you have continued to drag this subject (like many other subjects) on and on and on and on. I only reply when you specifically call me out, but I was done with this topic a while ago and I won't argue about radiator positioning anymore. *You made your point a long time ago, as did I, as did people who have been into the racing aspect with different mounted radiators for many many years and have actual world experience and know a lot more than either of us. *I wasn't *spinning the subject, I was pointing out that if you are gonna pick something to go postal on, you might want to make sure your not complaining about something that is less of a concern than other potential problems. *It's like saying you have to use chromo, but not having any triangulation in your design, that's focusing on one aspect when there are worse problems that could be addressed because material choice can be bad if the design is not good.


And to your comment about even though thousands of people have been doing it for many many years, even though they haven't had problems, and how that's not the way we should make our choices. *It's a 2 way road, you shouldn't take years and years of experience from thousands and thousands of people, and throw them out the window saying they are wrong, just because your trying to be a pack leader. *You wanna use your own design to stand you out, go ahead, nothing wrong with that, but don't start taking things that have been done since before you were born, especially things that have an extremely good track record, and start saying that everyone is wrong and it's unsafe and your just asking for trouble. *It's not nearly as bad as you make it out to be and the chances of getting hurt from many many other things is far greater....

And to why I defend my position at all? *Because you make some arrogant comments about how something I do is wrong (done this multiple times actually) and how my customers are gonna get hurt and i'm not thinking about them. *This isn't because I like to debate, this is because your going on your crusade and trying to make me look bad for my design choice(s). *You never use to bash my stuff until you decided that you wanted to become a builder, now all you do is nitpick *things in my rail.

First off I didn't change the focus of the topic.YOU did.Secondly I did not go on a rant about your design in the least.I pointed out what I felt was a poor place to position a radiator and stand by that. From what I find you are in the minority as to the placement.If for no other reason why would anyone want a hot radiator just a few inches from the head and shoulders in the heat of the summer?Might be nice in the winter tho!Third,if you would not get carried away with overstating your case maybe I'd take the reasoning seriously.Fourth I am NOT trying to make you look bad.I will not ever again say that you build a good buggy or that your craftsmanship is very good.YOU seem to ignore all the times I have said so therefore I will not waste my time doing so again. I will say one more time that I don't think that the majority of buggies have a radiator mounted vertical above and immediately behind the head and shoulders of the occupant.I do not feel it is a good place. I spent the weekend looking at thousands of pics of all kinds of buggies big and small and the majority were not mounted like yours.It is not nitpicking YOUR rail.I have never felt it a proper place no matter who designed it.You were just the one pictured.Don't take it so personal.. Now if you want to mount it angled on the downtubes I personally think that is better and acceptable with some sort of deflector for the small but real possibility of spewing coolant. However it is your build and your priveledge to do whatever you think best..Just my opinion for what it's worth. Lastly if you(or anyone else) don't want me to challenge statements like "piston went through his arm" or "THe strongest cage in the world"(Franco) keep them believable and not overstated.If you'll notice it seems to be you that bring this about.C'mon ,Yoshi,we're friends and don't need to get pissed at each other over this stuff.This is the forum to discuss these things without taking it(or making it) personal.

[masterfabr]

[quote=yoshi\";p=\"33184]

Originally Posted by "renegadespec1\";p=\"33183":38i5vo2n

Yoshi,
Could you and Master stop duking it out long enouph to measure up the coolers you got on the shelf? [smilie=ext_beer2.gif] I got some SUPER PAINT it's the best/strongest *in the world that will stop the piston...Just paint your arm pits with it
If we all just go back to Briggs and stratton air cooled motors we'll all be safe and happy

I will measure one when I get a chance, but just for some round about numbers, the height is: bigger than 2" but less than 48",..the width is: bigger than 6", but less than 90". *Hope that helps for now...Oh yeah, it's thicker than 1/4", but thinner than 8 foot.....[/quote:38i5vo2n]A reasonable question and a BS answer.And you wonder why people give you shiit. Mine is 2"X 12" X 12".Yoshi's is larger.(probably the only thing he has that's bigger!LOL!!!!!)

[yoshi]

Originally Posted by masterfabr\";p=\&quot

First off I didn't change the focus of the topic.YOU did.Secondly I did not go on a rant about your design in the least.I pointed out what I felt was a poor place to position a radiator and stand by that. From what I find you are in the minority as to the placement.If for no other reason why would anyone want a hot radiator just a few inches from the head and shoulders in the heat of the summer?Might be nice in the winter tho!Third,if you would not get carried away with overstating your case maybe I'd take the reasoning seriously.Fourth I am NOT trying to make you look bad.I will not ever again say that you build a good buggy or that your craftsmanship is very good.YOU seem to ignore all the times I have said so therefore I will not waste my time doing so again. I will say one more time that I don't think that the majority of buggies have a radiator mounted vertical above and immediately behind the head and shoulders of the occupant.I do not feel it is a good place. I spent the weekend looking at thousands of pics of all kinds of buggies big and small and the majority were not mounted like yours.It is not nitpicking YOUR rail.I have never felt it a proper place no matter who designed it.You were just the one pictured.Don't take it so personal.. Now if you want to mount it angled on the downtubes I personally think that is better and acceptable with some sort of deflector for the small but real possibility of spewing coolant. However it is your build and your priveledge to do whatever you think best..Just my opinion for what it's worth. Lastly if you(or anyone else) don't want me to challenge statements like "piston went through his arm" or "THe strongest cage in the world"(Franco) keep them believable and not overstated.If you'll notice it seems to be you that bring this about.C'mon ,Yoshi,we're friends and don't need to get pissed at each other over this stuff.This is the forum to discuss these things without taking it(or making it) personal.

Maybe i'm the minority in min rail builders, but from my understanding most offroad race vehicles have them up high and the rules for race events are more strict and more safety orientated than your basic home builder or rec. rail manufacturer. *As far as you saying you were stating your opinion and not trying to make me look bad, you started off giving your .02 about placement which was fine, but you then went to TELLING me to put the radiator somewhere else and that my customers would get burnt with my setup implying I was intentionally leaving something unsafe in. I gave my .02, K-fab gave his .02 , Rorty gave his .02 , another member that agreed with you gave their .02 cents, you are the only one that keeps trying to burn your opinion into peoples heads and your conversations went from your .02, to telling me how I should do things....