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Thanks for the info diirk. I am hoping to get a look at the RR and the F1-panther at the sand show this weekend. I do like the look of the Tom Pro/Short cars alot but they are mor money than a full size Subaru car in most cases. I am transitioning from a sport quad and Rhino in the dunes to a slghtly larger vehicle that can fill both roles nicely ( fast on the hill but still fun in the small stuff and fire roads in northern AZ).